People dynamics

[JackyJoll]

It is obvious that most people do not understand that the human species is dimorphic with only about 0.018% of the population being so-called 'intersex', neither do they understand that biological sex is immutable.

And the unfortunate sufferers from the disorders which you archaically call intersex, are all either male or female.

Male or female, not both, not neither and not in between.

I said "so-called intersex" rather than "DSD" because (in the context in which it was used) the former term was far more likely to be understood than "DSD".

True, but they are all either male or female.

And they are unrelated to the creepy men who pretend to be women.

[irie]

Whatever.

[mangocrazy]

Gender depends on what's between your legs, sex is what you do with it.

Nah, that’s taking a crap.

That's the same whatever gender you are.

[JackyJoll]

Gender depends on what's between your legs, sex is what you do with it.

Nah, that’s taking a crap.

That's the same whatever gender you are.

Except ladies don’t fart.

[mangocrazy]

Nah, that’s taking a crap.

That's the same whatever gender you are.

Except ladies don’t fart.

Females do.

[JackyJoll]

The late dear Queen certainly didn’t.

[cheb]

100% true. We don't want anyone ramming "the truth" down our throats. !

What makes so sure you speak for all of us, as implied by your 'We'? Have you asked us all individually?

The WE was me and Noggers so maybe you should wind your neck in a bit?

Or is that your version of 'the truth' you don't want rammed down anyone's throat.

You obviously don't like Screwdriver's posts. Put him on ignore and move on. I like most of what Screwdriver posts, it's one of the reasons I stay here.

I've lost track of the times he's called me a pervert and a few days ago he impliet that I wanted to shag Mr Tack's cousin. So, I will choose who I ignore

Yes dear, of course you did dear. Don't worry your little head about it.

[JackyJoll]

What’s wrong with Mr Tack’s cousin?

She might be nothing like him.

[mangocrazy]

This thread appears to be merging with the zombie thread...

[Greenman]

It’s certainly the case in my experience that those in the lower intelligence brackets are likely to be bullies that bully as a group.

I think fear drives a lack of understanding and they seek refuge in groups.

Not to start anything off on this thread but you and loads of others on here used to gang up and bully posters all the time, i was one of them.

I used to post the truth/my conspiracy thoughts and would get shot down and abused by numerous posters in mass, it was like you were all PM'ing each other to attack a poster, it was quite sad and childish, it didn't really bother me that much as most of the time i am up for a fight but had to mention this here as my irony meter is literally blowing it's top.

I think most bullies don't even realise they are bullies, especially keyboard warrior bullies until it is pointed out to them.

I have been at both ends of the bullying spectrum. When i was younger, up until about year 8 i was a total wanker, i used to bully numerous kids in the school daily, some used to have time off just because of me, i don't feel proud or anything of that but have accepted it was just part of life. I was also then bullied myself throughout years 8/9 as i was sent to anger management classes and was also being told by the parents that if i didn't stop getting into trouble (fighting, robbing, getting brought home by police) they would kick my out of the house and into some sort of boarding PRU, so i never retaliated.

I also used to be part of quite a big gang 40ish strong (Estate Boyz). We used to terrorsie the neighbourhood, but eventually grew out of it and most of us split apart and went our own ways. That was mainly in years 10/11 of school after i had finished the anger management and started fighting back again. I went full on mental one day and seeked out the 3 bullies that were bullying me and totally destroyed them all on that day, i wont go into details but they all got at least some sort of broken bone on their faces! Ironically i became good friends with all 3 of them after that, no-one bothered me after also and i stopped the stupid bullying ways myself too. It was all just down to my temper which i still have, if you provoke me i can be a really really nasty fucker, mainly as i see the red mist and cannot control my reaction, if you don't provoke me i am nice as pie and would never go looking for a fight.

IMO most times when people join gangs it is due to a lot of peer pressure, if you are not part of a group then you are an easy target for the bullies, if they know that if they fuck with you then another 30 kids will be coming at them then it's less likely you will get picked on. For me back then though i just liked the rush of a fight, i would fight most days and when i wasn't fighting i was with mates running our wrestling club at dinner times, i was just a typical loon teenager as many are.

I think there are too many snowflakes these days playing off small little things though, if you post things that others do not agree with then you need to accept you will get people fighting back, it's like the sexual statuses that are rife these days, if you go out as a man and want to be called Veronica and dress like a women then you will need to accept that there are those in society that will call you names etc, it's part of the choice you are making by wanting to be someone you aren't physically, taking offence at every little negative comment will just exhaust you in the long run.

[DefTrap]

I'm sorry if I made you feel bad, I could try to explain what I thought I was doing but it wouldn't change how you feel, so I'll just leave it at an unconditional "Sorry".

But but but you said bullies were low intelligence grouping because of fear. ?

Or it could be pisstaking because you think greenie can take a joke.

It's so confusing.

[Greenman]

I'm sorry if I made you feel bad, I could try to explain what I thought I was doing but it wouldn't change how you feel, so I'll just leave it at an unconditional "Sorry".

But but but you said bullies were low intelligence grouping because of fear. ?

Or it could be pisstaking because you think greenie can take a joke.

It's so confusing.

The line between piss taking and deliberately causing offence is quite clear. People were getting personal which is offensive/deliberate bullying IMO.

[DefTrap]

I'm just saying that, like most things, the lines are not always clear.
We don't always know what's going on in each others lives. The written word doesn't convey any emphasis, emojis are rubbish.
All of us have "baggage" on here that is going to influence a response.

[Noggin]

I'm just saying that, like most things, the lines are not always clear.
We don't always know what's going on in each others lives. The written word doesn't convey any emphasis, emojis are rubbish.
All of us have "baggage" on here that is going to influence a response.

Agreed.

If someone is holding their own then I'll argue robustly, but if I see someone is really having a bad time because of it then I'll back off.
I'm sure I'm not historically perfect on this, but I try not to be confrontational with people that aren't in a great place to defend themselves.

This often comes with age and experience. You've seen your kids go through stuff that affects them emotionally; have had experiences that, with age/looking back, look different - as have we all (well not all of us have had kids etc etc!). But I think all of us experience changes in our characters with age and it changes how we see other people and their reactions/emotions. You may have always done that up to a point, but I bet you've learned more about yourself and others through your life and so you have changed your responses. (Probably!! Lots of guessing here, but it more of a general comment than a personal one!!!)

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I've mostly been a stroppy cow - but I was brought up to be that way!! My mother wanted feminist daughters - it didn't work out that way with me, but trying to follow what she wanted meant I was generally just a stroppy mare!!!

I think I'd eased up a bit before I moved here but having a bad/disabling injury, moving countries before I had conversational language and basically having the most appalling six years of my life, I do think I see life, the universe and humans in a different way. I'm sure I seem like a stroppy cow to some still, I probably am sometimes LOL But overall, I think I've matured to a gentler person. I was 'excluded' as a child at school and as an adult in life in general because of being ridiculously shy - this still happens just because the shyness means I lack the confidence to "just go talk to people". I was teased, but not bullied, but that didn't encourage me to put my head over the parapet due to shyness and lack of confidence! Getting a bike and making friends with other bikers was a massive thing for my confidence - I expect cos there is constant piss taking but huge support and kindness as well.

TBH, probably weirdly, forums have really helped me because I got to know people online and then in person and have been comfortable with the friendships. Probably a reason some things don't make sense is that on here we only see the keyboard character. When you've met someone IRL, you know if it is actually their character that is writing or if it's tongue in cheek etc. One of the reasons Yorick makes me laugh with the "don't worry your pretty little head" type comments is that I've met him and I am 100% sure that he's a lovely bloke and not a chauvinistic misogynistic!! LOL

Something that was great in the VD/TRC days was the meet ups because you could put a face to the forum name, meet the actual person/character not just the keyboard words. And because of that I do try hard to read past what I first see if it reads 'wrong' to me. In general, if I react to something I've read it a few times (I don't read well, so I am aware that I sometimes miss nouances) and equally I've typed the reply over and over and read it multiple times to try and make sure it can be read how I mean it. But that doesn't always happen because - people read the words, as they should. They can't read the meaning you had behind those words - the major downside of typing conversations to random internet weirdos!!!


I'd say c'mon lets have more meet ups. But I haven't made Pembrey for 6 years despite intending to, so I will end up sounding like Go_Slow with the organising dates for curries, endless changing of dates and venues and possibly, occasionally, a curry meet!!

[weeksy]

I'd say c'mon lets have more meet ups. But I haven't made Pembrey for 6 years despite intending to, so I will end up sounding like Go_Slow with the organising dates for curries, endless changing of dates and venues and possibly, occasionally, a curry meet!!

Well we do a few MTB rides and meets, but that's quite specific. Every time i/we have tried something in a motorbike/camping context it's been met by mostly silence, @G.P tried last year i think and it fell flat. Pembrey has dwindled down and down to the point where it's mostly just me and a few people i've known for ages anyway... We do get the odd interloper which is GREAT but again, it's mostly pointless now to the point that i doubt i'll bother trying again to 'invite' the forum in that context, i'll just simply book for Mrs Weeksy and if others make it, great.

I do wonder how much of this is my fault, location fault, or just 'society' as a whole and i don't know the answer, but it seems quite pointless at times.

[Noggin]

I'd say c'mon lets have more meet ups. But I haven't made Pembrey for 6 years despite intending to, so I will end up sounding like Go_Slow with the organising dates for curries, endless changing of dates and venues and possibly, occasionally, a curry meet!!

Well we do a few MTB rides and meets, but that's quite specific. Every time i/we have tried something in a motorbike/camping context it's been met by mostly silence, @G.P tried last year i think and it fell flat. Pembrey has dwindled down and down to the point where it's mostly just me and a few people i've known for ages anyway... We do get the odd interloper which is GREAT but again, it's mostly pointless now to the point that i doubt i'll bother trying again to 'invite' the forum in that context, i'll just simply book for Mrs Weeksy and if others make it, great.

I do wonder how much of this is my fault, location fault, or just 'society' as a whole and i don't know the answer, but it seems quite pointless at times.

I don't think it's anyone's fault - it's life. Like I said, I've been trying to make Pembrey since before I moved here. Life and lack of money gets in the way!

I do see the MTB meets and it makes me wish I could physically get into that and meet up (when in the UK!) but I'm pretty sure cycling is one thing that is not possible for me. However, if I'm in the uk and you's lot are meeting up, I'll probably try and come along for a bit!


I think it's much more to do with money and that people were forced to stop socialising for a while and since then life has gone in different ways. I really don't see it as your fault at all!

I want to say don't stop trying to organise meet ups (not you specifically, everyone) - at some point the socialising will come back, I'm sure. (I'm only ever going to make them at certain times of the year - once I have my life back on balance - but if I'm around I'll join in. If not I'll wave from over here!!) xx

[weeksy]

I've met up with quite a few around the UK, managed to fit Pembrey in once, met a few abroad when they visited me or I visited them.
It's a forum though, so it's mainly virtual acquaintances.

Never used to be though, think of the days of Riceburner, Tack, m00c0w, fallen angel and Metz, Tazzy, DirtyBill, Ducati Pete, etc etc meetups were common..

[cheb]

I'd say c'mon lets have more meet ups. But I haven't made Pembrey for 6 years despite intending to, so I will end up sounding like Go_Slow with the organising dates for curries, endless changing of dates and venues and possibly, occasionally, a curry meet!!

Well we do a few MTB rides and meets, but that's quite specific. Every time i/we have tried something in a motorbike/camping context it's been met by mostly silence, @G.P tried last year i think and it fell flat. Pembrey has dwindled down and down to the point where it's mostly just me and a few people i've known for ages anyway... We do get the odd interloper which is GREAT but again, it's mostly pointless now to the point that i doubt i'll bother trying again to 'invite' the forum in that context, i'll just simply book for Mrs Weeksy and if others make it, great.

I do wonder how much of this is my fault, location fault, or just 'society' as a whole and i don't know the answer, but it seems quite pointless at times.

I'd genuinely like to go to one of these and even the usual location isn't an immediate no. It's mostly timing, things are getting easier on that front. I nearly turned up to the first one on the spur of the moment because of a change of plans, I was collecting something from Cardiff as a late minute favour, but went down with MRSA as a side effect of some antibiotics I was on for cellulitis. That made the trip home interesting.

And if I did turn up I'd be early.

[Rockburner]

I've met up with quite a few around the UK, managed to fit Pembrey in once, met a few abroad when they visited me or I visited them.
It's a forum though, so it's mainly virtual acquaintances.

Never used to be though, think of the days of Riceburner, Tack, m00c0w, fallen angel and Metz, Tazzy, DirtyBill, Ducati Pete, etc etc meetups were common..

Back then we were mostly doing a lot of London drinks and the"core" group would meet for an evening fairly regularly, so those from further afield would be joining an established group on a random evening. Or there was a frequent gathering to join up with.

The parties were similar, Yorick's for example, and the Rideout's were similar, a core group with the free time and energy to do it.

Life for most of us has become different, there isn't always a lot of free time, and there isn't a core group who live or work geographically close enough to meet regularly.

[weeksy]

I've met up with quite a few around the UK, managed to fit Pembrey in once, met a few abroad when they visited me or I visited them.
It's a forum though, so it's mainly virtual acquaintances.

Never used to be though, think of the days of Riceburner, Tack, m00c0w, fallen angel and Metz, Tazzy, DirtyBill, Ducati Pete, etc etc meetups were common..

Back then we were mostly doing a lot of London drinks and the"core" group would meet for an evening fairly regularly, so those from further afield would be joining an established group on a random evening. Or there was a frequent gathering to join up with.

The parties were similar, Yorick's for example, and the Rideout's were similar, a core group with the free time and energy to do it.

Life for most of us has become different, there isn't always a lot of free time, and there isn't a core group who live or work geographically close enough to meet regularly.

or people just don't care