Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Current affairs, Politics, News.
User avatar
Horse
Posts: 11549
Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:30 am
Location: Always sunny southern England
Has thanked: 6186 times
Been thanked: 5087 times

Re: Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Post by Horse »

Greenman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:21 pm
Screwdriver wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:34 pm “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?”
Research is almost theoretically pointless IMO as it always comes back to the fact that we are what we are and there is nothing else, science tries to prove this, but can't!
What 'research' do you mean? Surely you don't mean *all* research?
Even bland can be a type of character :wave:
westers151
Posts: 485
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:43 pm
Has thanked: 459 times
Been thanked: 235 times

Re: Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Post by westers151 »

Greenman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:21 pm
Screwdriver wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:34 pm “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?”


― Albert Einstein
Well exactly.

Research is almost theoretically pointless IMO as it always comes back to the fact that we are what we are and there is nothing else, science tries to prove this, but can't! - Believing there is nothing else does not make you clever or more evolved, nor does it make you inferior, you need to live your life out how YOU think it should be played otherwise we are all fucked, we will all be breeding the same genes and will continue promoting a failing society that is led by greed!

We know what we are doing, but are all just too paranoid and ignorant to except our fate!
Interesting viewpoint, although scientific research has allowed you to be posting via the internet, so it's not pointless.

Science isn't trying to prove that we are unique, far from it. The search for life outside of this planet is extensive, so they have been actively looking to try and disprove the theory that we are unique, however the observable evidence is there is nothing out there, so at the moment, the hypothesis that we are unique is valid (until someone can prove otherwise0.
Greenman
Posts: 1740
Joined: Fri May 01, 2020 10:05 pm
Has thanked: 209 times
Been thanked: 403 times

Re: Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Post by Greenman »

Horse wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:05 pm
Greenman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:21 pm
Screwdriver wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:34 pm “If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?”
Research is almost theoretically pointless IMO as it always comes back to the fact that we are what we are and there is nothing else, science tries to prove this, but can't!
What 'research' do you mean? Surely you don't mean *all* research?
Science like life is just theories!

We can work towards something without knowing what we are actually getting ourselves into, which is why life is so exciting, no mater what level you live it on!!!!!
westers151
Posts: 485
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:43 pm
Has thanked: 459 times
Been thanked: 235 times

Re: Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Post by westers151 »

Greenman wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:00 am
Horse wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:05 pm
Greenman wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:21 pm

Research is almost theoretically pointless IMO as it always comes back to the fact that we are what we are and there is nothing else, science tries to prove this, but can't!
What 'research' do you mean? Surely you don't mean *all* research?
Science like life is just theories!

We can work towards something without knowing what we are actually getting ourselves into, which is why life is so exciting, no mater what level you live it on!!!!!
Isn't that life? None of us knows how are* lives are going to pan out, so we don't know what we're getting ourselves into.

*Edit: our
Greenman
Posts: 1740
Joined: Fri May 01, 2020 10:05 pm
Has thanked: 209 times
Been thanked: 403 times

Re: Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Post by Greenman »

westers151 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:06 am
Greenman wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:00 am
Horse wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:05 pm

What 'research' do you mean? Surely you don't mean *all* research?
Science like life is just theories!

We can work towards something without knowing what we are actually getting ourselves into, which is why life is so exciting, no mater what level you live it on!!!!!
Isn't that life? None of us knows how are lives are going to pan out, so we don't know what we're getting ourselves into.
That is exactly what i am saying...we are life, we don't know how it's going to pan out, we our in control of our own thoughts and should not be lead into deception or into tribal groups that make us all robots that are easily controllable.

Science is used to predict the impossible and Religion is used to deceive the foolish... :wtf:
westers151
Posts: 485
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:43 pm
Has thanked: 459 times
Been thanked: 235 times

Re: Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Post by westers151 »

Greenman wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:14 am
westers151 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:06 am
Greenman wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:00 am

Science like life is just theories!

We can work towards something without knowing what we are actually getting ourselves into, which is why life is so exciting, no mater what level you live it on!!!!!
Isn't that life? None of us knows how are lives are going to pan out, so we don't know what we're getting ourselves into.
That is exactly what i am saying...we are life, we don't know how it's going to pan out, we our in control of our own thoughts and should not be lead into deception or into tribal groups that make us all robots that are easily controllable.

Science is used to predict the impossible and Religion is used to deceive the foolish... :wtf:
Ah, gotcha, and agree, however....that assumes everyone has the intelligence and morals not to get into tribal regimes, and that's observably not the case. We educate people, yet tribalism happens.

I don't agree that science predicts the impossible, far from it. Science sets a hypothesis, and then attempts to prove that hypothesis. Every other scientist tries to disprove it; Ok, not every scientist, but you get my point - they're a competitive bunch and none of the like someone else to be the big cheese.

Science does admit that they don't know, and can't comprehend what was around before the big bang.

As for the religious side of things, I'm not qualified to comment.
User avatar
Screwdriver
Posts: 2162
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:15 pm
Location: Wherever I lay my hat, that's my hat...
Has thanked: 256 times
Been thanked: 740 times

Re: Public emergency alerts to be sent to all UK mobile phones

Post by Screwdriver »

In order for our government to be able to deliver an electronic message wirelessly to virtually every person who carries a pocket computer with them; somebody had to create a quite complex system. Many somebodies. Uncountably many.

Data centres, computer systems, broadband cellular networks, satellites, mobile phones... Quite a list of tech.

Imagine Sir Winston Churchill, back in the day suddenly decides that's a great idea, let's make one. There were some extraordinarily talented engineers around at the time, some of them with greater genius than we have with us today so why would that have been absurd? Because until we do the legwork, try out the theories, do the research we do not progress.

That's less than 100 years ago, closer to 50, easily within a generation. The VAST majority of research appears to be "pointless". It starts out with a premise, develops a theory, tests that theory against observation, the observations do not follow the theory, we need to look for a new premise.

Without those many "failures" we do not progress. Research is vitally important and in many ways possibly the most important endeavour for mankind. Otherwise, what's the point?

"I'm glad now that our search for understanding will never come to an end, and that we will always have the challenge of a new discovery.
Without it, we would stagnate."

Stephen Hawking.
“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”
Plato