Non-approved gear & costs of CE testing

[MrLongbeard]

While I don’t want this thread to degenerate into a Brexit debate

Sorry, but it will and does have a bearing.

Go and have a read about designated standards. Further you'll need to know which directives and regulations were transferred into British law by the withdrawal act.

Untangling ourselves was always going to be something that takes years n years n years, and the transition period only ended 5 minutes ago, it's still not mandatory (for another 6 months) to use the UKCA mark.

It's a nice pipe dream to say 'make everything better now' but I'm afraid that's all it is, and will be for some time.

In the mean time, it's paying my wages, and whilst I really don't enjoy talking shop if I'm not being paid for it you need to understand the processes and potential timelines.

[Horse]

I guess it’s too much to hope for the UK to back MotoCAP.

there would be massive reluctance from government and then down at divergence so soon.

I would guess that maintaining trade is probably the priority, rather that developing and introducing obstructions (which would be meaningless anywhere else).

And how many uk citizens would even benefit?

Many riders will know nothing about the current standards, let alone base their purchasing decisions on them. An AAAA standard might not be worth the testing costs - let alone the time costs of developing a standard at putting it into legislation. Then, out of captivity, even fewer riders would feel the benefit in a crash.

In the grand scheme of it, HMG might have relatively more important things to worry about.

[MrLongbeard]

I would guess that maintaining trade is probably the priority, rather that developing and introducing obstructions (which would be meaningless anywhere else).

And how many uk citizens would even benefit?

Many riders will know nothing about the current standards, let alone base their purchasing decisions on them. An AAAA standard might not be worth the testing costs - let alone the time costs of developing a standard at putting it into legislation. Then, out of captivity, even fewer riders would feel the benefit in a crash.

In the grand scheme of it, HMG might have relatively more important things to worry about.

As I said;

I don't think there's the appetite or indeed the market for it, eg Shoei & Arai are probably hold the market share in helmets regardless of the fact AGV and similar produce cheaper helmets that score higher in Sharp testing.

There's not many regular members here who pop into 'staying alive' and if you can't get this captive audience interested then how are you going to get the greater biker population to buy in to it?

I'm not against the idea, and I'm not pooh poohing it out of hand, @Hot_Air drop your MP a line and ask them about possible time scales to introduce a divergent set of requirements.

[Supermofo]

How would you know if clothing comes up to AA or AAA standard. Just been having a look at some stuff on Sportsbikeshop and the fail to mention that rating...?

Hmm. Maybe they are relying on no-one looking too hard. Maybe use another supplier who does bother to tell you. CE rating must be on a tag on the garment incidentally.

You can do what I just did and go to the manufacturer's website - for example, the first one I clicked on on Sportsbikeshop was an Oxford Mondial Advanced Jacket with laminate technology, and I can't see a CE rating on their ad. But go to Oxford's website and you'll find the jacket listed. https://www.oxfordproducts.com/motorcyc ... ech_black/

You can see it's CE 'A' rated - which really means only suitable for urban riding. So you get excellent waterproofing and poor protection.

There is still old unrated stock being sold off too, I expect.

I was looking at the Spada Wyatt, that RIDE rated highly. And say that it is AAA
But is does say only CE approved armour ...
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorc ... rod/382492

I was looking at the Spada Wyatt, that RIDE rated highly. And say that it is AAA
But is does say only CE approved armour ...
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorc ... rod/382492

Maybe ask Sportsbikeshop why they aren't publishing CE ratings for the garment when they mention the CE armour.

I don't know if they are legally obliged to. I'll see if I can find out.

If a shop makes more profit on lesser quality goods then they will want to hide it.

If you look on the sportsbikeshop website for say jackets and look at the filters you will see there is a 'Ce Approval' where you can select just AAA or AA etc. I think where they don't list one is presumably where they don't have the info directly from the manufacturer. But to my knowledge Sportsbikeshop are the only shop doing this so I think they are doing a good job personally.

If you select the Oxford Mondial you won't see the A rating in the description but if you select AA in the jacket filter and Oxford you get the Hinterland listed which then goes on to list the AA rating in the description. So I reckon it's down to Oxford supplying official info to Sportsbikeshop who will then list stuff correctly.

They've had the CE filter for a while as I used it when I bought my Bullet Covert jeans as I wanted AAA rated. On the subject of AAA and inflated costs the Covert jeans are the same price I paid back in Nov, 99 quid which I thought was reasonable for AAA and level 2 armour. The £179 original price was salty but as I say they've been £99 for well over 6 months.
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorc ... rod/430235

[Mr Moofo]

If you look on the sportsbikeshop website for say jackets and look at the filters you will see there is a 'Ce Approval' where you can select just AAA or AA etc. I think where they don't list one is presumably where they don't have the info directly from the manufacturer. But to my knowledge Sportsbikeshop are the only shop doing this so I think they are doing a good job personally.

If you select the Oxford Mondial you won't see the A rating in the description but if you select AA in the jacket filter and Oxford you get the Hinterland listed which then goes on to list the AA rating in the description. So I reckon it's down to Oxford supplying official info to Sportsbikeshop who will then list stuff correctly.

They've had the CE filter for a while as I used it when I bought my Bullet Covert jeans as I wanted AAA rated. On the subject of AAA and inflated costs the Covert jeans are the same price I paid back in Nov, 99 quid which I thought was reasonable for AAA and level 2 armour. The £179 original price was salty but as I say they've been £99 for well over 6 months.
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorc ... rod/430235

And interestingly the Spada Jacket doesn't come up with the filters...

[Supermofo]

And interestingly the Spada Jacket doesn't come up with the filters...

Yes I've noticed this. Same with the Oxford Mondial. It is A on Oxford's website, but not got any filter on the SBS website. So I think this is SBS relying on manufacturers to give them the info. The Mondial is a couple of years old so probably Oxford didn't send it over, but the newer Hinterland they have. There are loads of unlisted stuff, but I suppose SBS have so much stuff they list what they are given maybe?

Having said that every time I've phoned SBS they've been great and if the Spada is AAA it'll be listed in the jacket and I'm sure they can check.

[The Spin Doctor]

Triple A rated denim jeans from Oxford.

https://oxfordriderwear.com/?swoof=1&po ... t_cat=mens

At a not-unreasonable £149 and the obligatory 99 pence.