One rule for them …

[Gedge]

I get the frustration. I get that we are robbing Peter to pay Paul no matter what, however we could have acted differently on Delta.

Herd immunity eventually vs herd immunity too quickly and we are over run with all sorts of health pressures.

30% of our already depleted staff are off today because they’ve been pinged. It’s just relentless.

30% isolating, not 30% infected with Covid …definitely not 30% seriously ill..the issue isn’t the affect of ‘freedom day’ it’s the affect of the stupid track and trace app flagging people fir no reason ( my brother got pinged for shopping in Asda..no way was he closer than 2m to the same infected person for 15 minutes ..he knows it’s Asda because his wife was already isolating and he hadn’t left the house all week except to go there )

I’m not challenging that; it’s really annoying, isn’t it? Yet the same ping for a policeman or whomever insisting they isolate can be ignored ( because of something to do with soldiers and guns if I’m to understand the really tenuous conversation above ).

It’s still 30% down for being responsive, supportive and possibly able to save lives etc.

£37bn well spent then I’d say. That’s not to factor in the cost of employees not working/businesses closing etc.

Re: restrictions. It isn’t black and white (!!) it isn’t totally open or lockdown forever- to suggest as such is just silly.

However, fully opening up whilst there is an exponential increase and more admissions etc etc etc is in my view really worrying.

Happy freedom day: can I assume everyone has ditched wearing their mask now?

I’ve missed the bit about police officers being exempt from track and trace ..afaik most forces are suffering similar % of staff loss through track and trace pinging as are man6 schools and businesses ..clearly the system is too sensitive especially with so many being double vaccinated now ( unless of course the vaccine is also shit and we’ve been fed another line to get public compliance?)

[Pirahna]

I’ve missed the bit about police officers being exempt from track and trace ..afaik most forces are suffering similar % of staff loss through track and trace pinging as are man6 schools and businesses ..clearly the system is too sensitive especially with so many being double vaccinated now ( unless of course the vaccine is also shit and we’ve been fed another line to get public compliance?)

This was well discussed at various times on LBC last week with quite a few coppers calling in. None of them had the app installed.

As for the vaccine: in my current role as a part time delivery driver for Tesco I had one person with Covid open the door to me last year (lets call it the first wave). Now in the second wave I get a couple of people each shift. The vast majority have been double jabbed with the AZ vaccine, I don't recall anyone saying they'd had the Pfizer. Very occasionally it'll be youngsters who haven't had a vaccine. One notable difference this year is it's very rare for someone to open the door wearing a mask, last year everyone did.

[Docca]

30% isolating, not 30% infected with Covid …definitely not 30% seriously ill..the issue isn’t the affect of ‘freedom day’ it’s the affect of the stupid track and trace app flagging people fir no reason ( my brother got pinged for shopping in Asda..no way was he closer than 2m to the same infected person for 15 minutes ..he knows it’s Asda because his wife was already isolating and he hadn’t left the house all week except to go there )

I’m not challenging that; it’s really annoying, isn’t it? Yet the same ping for a policeman or whomever insisting they isolate can be ignored ( because of something to do with soldiers and guns if I’m to understand the really tenuous conversation above ).

It’s still 30% down for being responsive, supportive and possibly able to save lives etc.

£37bn well spent then I’d say. That’s not to factor in the cost of employees not working/businesses closing etc.

Re: restrictions. It isn’t black and white (!!) it isn’t totally open or lockdown forever- to suggest as such is just silly.

However, fully opening up whilst there is an exponential increase and more admissions etc etc etc is in my view really worrying.

Happy freedom day: can I assume everyone has ditched wearing their mask now?

I’ve missed the bit about police officers being exempt from track and trace ..afaik most forces are suffering similar % of staff loss through track and trace pinging as are man6 schools and businesses ..clearly the system is too sensitive especially with so many being double vaccinated now ( unless of course the vaccine is also shit and we’ve been fed another line to get public compliance?)

Apologies, I wasn’t suggesting Police are exempt. Clumsy typing. It was more a ‘police have to isolate ( along with the rest of us) except for the select few who are on pilot study’s’

It’s too much. I deleted the app months ago. I’ve just been so the supermarket and still wore a mask. As did 99% of the other shoppers ( Farnham).

I think I remember someone saying we’ll get to 100k /day infected before we start seeing a slide. Hopefully we’re all geared up for it before the next iteration of the virus

[Count Steer]

Interesting that people think that if government people have to isolate then it matters a lot. Belgium managed without one for 2 years iirc. We used to play a modelling game where you took out levels of a big organisation eg Royal Mail and worked out when (if) people doing the actual work and customers would notice. You could beam the Houses of Parliament to Aldebaran and the country would still work for a year or two. A lot of things would probably work better if they stopped interfering ie 'reorganising' stuff every 2 years. The Civil Service actually manage the country and (controversially) do a decent job of it most of the time. Politicians come and (thank the Lord) go and the world would be a better place if many of them didn't bother. Fortunately there are a few that do it for the right reasons, but not many.

[Horse]

Interesting that people think that if government people have to isolate then it matters a lot.

In a company, the most important staff are the cleaners.

If you ever have to rely on the person at the top, they're probably not doing their job.

[Count Steer]

Interesting point about Carillion. They struggled to get out of the mess but that mess was created much earlier when they overestimated the profitability of contracts to make the foward visibility picture look good.

I've been in the situation having constructed a bid and been told the price is too high and 'This is a must win'. My response was 'OK, tell me how much we are prepared to lose on this job and whether you'll pay the sales guy his commission before or after we lose the money'. Sharp intake of breath. 'That's rather negative'. 'OK, what's wrong with my costings?'. 'Err, nothing but the price is too high'. *sigh*

Sure, there is a risk you can lose business to companies that underbid or you can bid low and change manage the margin back in but if that's policy it's short term. We were supposed to be top banana at risk management too! Company (ex FTSE100) went down the tubes and got bought out by some nothing-much Canadian outfit.

You're right though, if you set things up properly, you can take your hands off the wheel for a while. Dealing with external change becomes the issue - a bit like politics. Don't change things for the sake of it, prepare for and deal with stuff that changes the game. That's probably where the Civil Service would struggle tbh...reacting. (There's no guarantee that politicians have any skills or knowledge that would do better though - they don't get elected on their business acumen. Even if they have some they still do stupid things - 'Eat out to help out'? Uhhuh.