Pfizer vaccine approved

[Yorick]

They've approved self testing here now..

https://gazettelife.com/news/diy-covid-tests-arrive/

[Supermofo]

They've approved self testing here now..

https://gazettelife.com/news/diy-covid-tests-arrive/

Didn't realise till this morning that Spain has more cases per day than us! I thought we were worse in Europe. Though seems it's Catalonia in the main although SIL said Marbella is really high.

Bloody foreigners beating us again

[Yorick]

They've approved self testing here now..

https://gazettelife.com/news/diy-covid-tests-arrive/

Didn't realise till this morning that Spain has more cases per day than us! I thought we were worse in Europe. Though seems it's Catalonia in the main although SIL said Marbella is really high.

Bloody foreigners beating us again

We're much lower than the peninsula

[Kneerly Down]

Didn't realise till this morning that Spain has more cases per day than us! I thought we were worse in Europe

And that's with the UK performing 7 times the rate of tests that Spain is.
Spain also has 10 times as many people in intensive care with Covid than the UK.

[Yorick]

Didn't realise till this morning that Spain has more cases per day than us! I thought we were worse in Europe

And that's with the UK performing 7 times the rate of tests that Spain is.
Spain also has 10 times as many people in intensive care with Covid than the UK.

We're doing well coz we've all behaved.

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[Kneerly Down]

They must be well behaved on the Isle of Wight as well.
Pretty much same population and also 0 in hospital wards and ICU.
Maybe it helps being a small island?

[Supermofo]

They must be well behaved on the Isle of Wight as well.
Pretty much same population and also 0 in hospital wards and ICU.
Maybe it helps being a small island?

TBF the Isle of Wight is still in the 1950s so they've got a while till they get Covid

[Saga Lout]

We're doing well coz we've all behaved.

You can have a gold star for being a good little boy.

[Yorick]

Just has my second jab by a very pretty nurse.

Just waiting the necessary 15 mins.

[Horse]

And we know what she said: "Just a little prick"

[Mussels]

Just has my second jab by a very pretty nurse.

Just waiting the necessary 15 mins.

Was he wearing tight trousers?

[Saga Lout]

And we know what she said: "Just a little prick"

That phrase is noticeable by how studiously it's avoided. "Just a little scratch" seems to be the phrase of choice, inaccurate though it is.

[Mussels]

That was cleared up quietly, so much for the EU song and dance about suing them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58426880

EU and AstraZeneca reach deal to end vaccine row

[irie]

That was cleared up quietly, so much for the EU song and dance about suing them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58426880

EU and AstraZeneca reach deal to end vaccine row

Brussels knew they were on a hiding to nothing so suing AZ for breach of contract always was a PR exercise. Brussels' tardiness has cost a lot of lives but hey, they're not elected so they can't be got rid of. Nothing new here.

[Count Steer]

That was cleared up quietly, so much for the EU song and dance about suing them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58426880

EU and AstraZeneca reach deal to end vaccine row

Brussels' tardiness has cost a lot of lives but hey, they're not elected so they can't be got rid of.

Not elected? Meh. The Australian government were elected, Trump was elected, the Polish government was elected, our spivs were elected.
The ballot box is no guarantee of competence or of the selection of those with generally beneficial intent. It's just, possibly, the least worst option which puts the choice of government in the hands of those with the fewest qualifications to actually choose one.

[irie]

That was cleared up quietly, so much for the EU song and dance about suing them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58426880

Brussels' tardiness has cost a lot of lives but hey, they're not elected so they can't be got rid of.

Not elected? Meh. The Australian government were elected, Trump was elected, the Polish government was elected, our spivs were elected.
The ballot box is no guarantee of competence or of the selection of those with generally beneficial intent. It's just, possibly, the least worst option which puts the choice of government in the hands of those with the fewest qualifications to actually choose one.

No, they weren't elected.

Whether or not those who are elected are competent to do their jobs is another issue, as you say.

[wheelnut]

So do we think that the government will go against the JCVI advice and routinely vaccinate the under 16s?

If they do it will pretty much disregard medical ethical standards as they are currently understood.

[irie]

So do we think that the government will go against the JCVI advice and routinely vaccinate the under 16s?

If they do it will pretty much disregard medical ethical standards as they are currently understood.

Given that the decision to vaccinate on purely medical grounds appears to be marginal, it may be that vaccinating 12-16 year old in order to avoid the wider educational and social impact of school closures is justifiable. On balance, I think it probably is.

[wheelnut]

So do we think that the government will go against the JCVI advice and routinely vaccinate the under 16s?

If they do it will pretty much disregard medical ethical standards as they are currently understood.

Given that the decision to vaccinate on purely medical grounds appears to be marginal, it may be that vaccinating 12-16 year old in order to avoid the wider educational and social impact of school closures is justifiable. On balance, I think it is.

The problem with that approach, is that it goes against the good of the individual that’s been treated. If the net benefit to the patient is on the negative side of the scales (and it appears that it is) then the treatment shouldn’t be given. Doctors are obliged to give (or not give) a treatment that is best for that particular patient. That it may or may not be beneficial for the wider population cannot enter the reasoning.

I’m not sure how the government can swerve that without a major shift in the way the medical profession handles treatment.

[irie]

So do we think that the government will go against the JCVI advice and routinely vaccinate the under 16s?

If they do it will pretty much disregard medical ethical standards as they are currently understood.

Given that the decision to vaccinate on purely medical grounds appears to be marginal, it may be that vaccinating 12-16 year old in order to avoid the wider educational and social impact of school closures is justifiable. On balance, I think it is.

The problem with that approach, is that it goes against the good of the individual that’s been treated. If the net benefit to the patient is on the negative side of the scales (and it appears that it is) then the treatment shouldn’t be given. Doctors are obliged to give (or not give) a treatment that is best for that particular patient. That it may or may not be beneficial for the wider population cannot enter the reasoning.

I’m not sure how the government can swerve that without a major shift in the way the medical profession handles treatment.

No, as said above, it appears that the net medical benefit to the patient is marginal. That is to say, difficult to assess as being medically either advantageous or disadvantageous.

But

it may be that vaccinating 12-16 year old in order to avoid the wider educational and social impact of school closures is justifiable.