"The Lively Monster Truck"
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"The Lively Monster Truck"
After selling my old Trek Powerfly emtb a year ago, and the bubble not bursting and not showing any signs with regards to price and availability of new and second hand emtb's so no bargains appeared to be there for the asking, I'd been giving thought recently to biting the bullet and getting another one.
Having hired a couple of Trek Rail emtb's from the Bike Garage in Bamford (heartily recommended) when @porter_jamie had ventured up here for visits I was taken with 29" wheels.
I knew I wanted a Bosch motor and 170mm suspension travel, at a minimum, front and back.
The only bike I could find that ticked all of those boxes was the Focus Sam2; a bike that all reviewers had spoken well of in terms of being a big hit, nigh on DH, bike that climbed well to get you to the top. Pinkbike described it as "The Lively Monster Truck" (https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-rid ... -down.html) so it seemed a match made in heaven...
A 2020 Sam2 6.8, in the needed XL size, appeared on ebay from a local seller last week. There are two models of Sam2, a 6.9 with fancy dan Fox factory coil spring suspension and Shimano components and the 6.8 which has the cheaper Rockshox Zeb fork and a "Super Deluxe Select +" (who thinks up these ridiculous names?) shock and SRAM components. Frame, motor, battery and other components are the same across the 2 models.
The seller was hard work, without going into the painful details I thought I had bought it and then he wouldn't complete the sale through ebay because of the fees (yeah, because ebay keep them secret and he didn't have the smarts to figure out you list things on ebay at a higher price than fb/pinkbike/etc. to cover the fees...) and gave me my deposit back and then it appeared back on ebay so with @Couchy's invaluable assistance we bought it on Saturday, paying the same as I was prepared to pay him the first time round, without him knowing he'd sold it to me....
First impressions were that it is a beast of a bike, bloody huge whichever way you look at it.
There were a few niggles that needed sorting; the back brake was woeful, the rear mech cable was shredded and the end looked like a witches broom. But it fitted me like a glove, was in really good nick generally and everything else was working as it should. Took it for a brief spin over at Black Rock's on Sunday morning to get the saddle and controls in the right position and have a first stab at the suspension sag/air pressure, but the piss poor back brake put an end to any serious fun.
Bleeding the back brake, new sintered pads front and rear and a good clean of the discs with scotchbrite and Isopropyl Alcohol soon got everything A1 and it stopping like you threw an anchor out, not surprising when you realise it's got 220mm discs as standard. Rear mech inner replaced and general clean and lube and check over and we're ready for a proper ride. Oh, and fitted a bell. Because it totally disarms walkers up in the hills if you give them a cheery "ting ting" to let them know you're heading their way....
So I headed off to the High Peak this afternoon for a spin round the Ladybower loop to see how it held up compared to the Trek Rail I rode round the same loop a couple of weeks ago...
Having hired a couple of Trek Rail emtb's from the Bike Garage in Bamford (heartily recommended) when @porter_jamie had ventured up here for visits I was taken with 29" wheels.
I knew I wanted a Bosch motor and 170mm suspension travel, at a minimum, front and back.
The only bike I could find that ticked all of those boxes was the Focus Sam2; a bike that all reviewers had spoken well of in terms of being a big hit, nigh on DH, bike that climbed well to get you to the top. Pinkbike described it as "The Lively Monster Truck" (https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-rid ... -down.html) so it seemed a match made in heaven...
A 2020 Sam2 6.8, in the needed XL size, appeared on ebay from a local seller last week. There are two models of Sam2, a 6.9 with fancy dan Fox factory coil spring suspension and Shimano components and the 6.8 which has the cheaper Rockshox Zeb fork and a "Super Deluxe Select +" (who thinks up these ridiculous names?) shock and SRAM components. Frame, motor, battery and other components are the same across the 2 models.
The seller was hard work, without going into the painful details I thought I had bought it and then he wouldn't complete the sale through ebay because of the fees (yeah, because ebay keep them secret and he didn't have the smarts to figure out you list things on ebay at a higher price than fb/pinkbike/etc. to cover the fees...) and gave me my deposit back and then it appeared back on ebay so with @Couchy's invaluable assistance we bought it on Saturday, paying the same as I was prepared to pay him the first time round, without him knowing he'd sold it to me....
First impressions were that it is a beast of a bike, bloody huge whichever way you look at it.
There were a few niggles that needed sorting; the back brake was woeful, the rear mech cable was shredded and the end looked like a witches broom. But it fitted me like a glove, was in really good nick generally and everything else was working as it should. Took it for a brief spin over at Black Rock's on Sunday morning to get the saddle and controls in the right position and have a first stab at the suspension sag/air pressure, but the piss poor back brake put an end to any serious fun.
Bleeding the back brake, new sintered pads front and rear and a good clean of the discs with scotchbrite and Isopropyl Alcohol soon got everything A1 and it stopping like you threw an anchor out, not surprising when you realise it's got 220mm discs as standard. Rear mech inner replaced and general clean and lube and check over and we're ready for a proper ride. Oh, and fitted a bell. Because it totally disarms walkers up in the hills if you give them a cheery "ting ting" to let them know you're heading their way....
So I headed off to the High Peak this afternoon for a spin round the Ladybower loop to see how it held up compared to the Trek Rail I rode round the same loop a couple of weeks ago...
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Parked the van in a layby on the Edale road, near the bottom of the Roman Road, looking up to Win Hill....
...span up the farm road to the bottom of the Roman Road and the bike's first exposure to the Peak District Gnar...
..it climbs very well on the loose rocks and step ups, finding grip well despite it not being a 4 bar rear end. Views out towards Mam Tor and Kinder Scout and back towards Castelton and Hope...
..Roman Road dispatched in no time at all on to Hope Cross...
...with Hollins Cross and the great ridge dominating the skyline...
If you've seen the Channel 4 adverts with the big chrome "4" robot striding around the hills, that's Hope Cross and the tracks leading to and from it.
...span up the farm road to the bottom of the Roman Road and the bike's first exposure to the Peak District Gnar...
..it climbs very well on the loose rocks and step ups, finding grip well despite it not being a 4 bar rear end. Views out towards Mam Tor and Kinder Scout and back towards Castelton and Hope...
..Roman Road dispatched in no time at all on to Hope Cross...
...with Hollins Cross and the great ridge dominating the skyline...
If you've seen the Channel 4 adverts with the big chrome "4" robot striding around the hills, that's Hope Cross and the tracks leading to and from it.
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Headed off down the Beast from Hope Cross. This the top of Beast looking back up towards Hope Cross...
..and this is where it starts getting steep and rocky and slippery as it drops into the forest...
With the recent rain there was nigh on a full stream running down the Beast and it was gert slippery. Made it down with a few moments but the forks definitely need some work, too stiff and rebounding too quickly. There's no compression damping adjustment on the Zeb's as standard - unless it's buried somewhere I've not been able to find (note to self. RTFM!) so I suspect the compression side of things needs some careful air pressure tweaking.
Over Snake Pass and up Hagg Side...
...the steepness and gnar on Hagg Side showed the limitations - IMO - of the single pivot back end on the Sam2 when compared to the Trek Rail, as the Focus struggled with grip at times when the Trek had gripped. But we're talking miniscule differences. Up to the top of Hagg side, the last couple of hundred meters being steep, tight, rocky switchbacks...
...the view from the top looking back over Snake Pass and to the Beast wending it's way through the woods on the other side of the valley...
..and this is where it starts getting steep and rocky and slippery as it drops into the forest...
With the recent rain there was nigh on a full stream running down the Beast and it was gert slippery. Made it down with a few moments but the forks definitely need some work, too stiff and rebounding too quickly. There's no compression damping adjustment on the Zeb's as standard - unless it's buried somewhere I've not been able to find (note to self. RTFM!) so I suspect the compression side of things needs some careful air pressure tweaking.
Over Snake Pass and up Hagg Side...
...the steepness and gnar on Hagg Side showed the limitations - IMO - of the single pivot back end on the Sam2 when compared to the Trek Rail, as the Focus struggled with grip at times when the Trek had gripped. But we're talking miniscule differences. Up to the top of Hagg side, the last couple of hundred meters being steep, tight, rocky switchbacks...
...the view from the top looking back over Snake Pass and to the Beast wending it's way through the woods on the other side of the valley...
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Rattled down Lockerbrook, with the forks showing they were too stiff on compression and too quick on rebound again, and down to the reservoir and then a road pedal in ECO mode round to the Fairholmes visitor centre by the Derwent Dam. Suitable, world class athlete focused, refreshment purchased...
...a bit of air let out of the forks and then round to the other side of the reservoir, past the dam, and along the road to the bottom of the Slabs. Stick it in TURBO and have at it!
Cleaned it. And then it's a technical rock section up from the bothy at the top of the slabs, which is always a fucker to clean as when you splash through the stream at the bottom of the rock section your tyres are wet and give no grip on the first step up. Didn't make it clean this time, but new bike/wrong shoes/phase of the moon etc. It then smooths out, comparatively, for the grind - back in EMTB - to the top...
At which point my ice cream from Fairholmes was but a memory so emergency malt loaf was deployed...
...before the hugely enjoyable single track along the hill side (the dark line of the wall about 1/3rd of the way down from the skyline) and up to Winstone Lee Tor...
...and the awesome view from the summit back down the way you've come...
...a bit of air let out of the forks and then round to the other side of the reservoir, past the dam, and along the road to the bottom of the Slabs. Stick it in TURBO and have at it!
Cleaned it. And then it's a technical rock section up from the bothy at the top of the slabs, which is always a fucker to clean as when you splash through the stream at the bottom of the rock section your tyres are wet and give no grip on the first step up. Didn't make it clean this time, but new bike/wrong shoes/phase of the moon etc. It then smooths out, comparatively, for the grind - back in EMTB - to the top...
At which point my ice cream from Fairholmes was but a memory so emergency malt loaf was deployed...
...before the hugely enjoyable single track along the hill side (the dark line of the wall about 1/3rd of the way down from the skyline) and up to Winstone Lee Tor...
...and the awesome view from the summit back down the way you've come...
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From the top of Winstone Lee Tor you've got two choice to get down.
There's Les Arc, which is a super steep and Alpine style - hence it's name - chus. But Les Arc has a few things going against it, it's not exactly "cheeky" but there's no express permission from the landowner to cycle it, only walk, but more importantly it's in a really bad state of repair, both from rain water run off and from Strava wankers cutting corners to get a good time.
The other option is the path down to Cut Throat Bridge, less steep and technical but longer and in a better state of repair and fully legit (trail access and advocacy is a big thing in the Peak District, Peak District MTB club doing great work with trail repairs and advocacy; having got several footpaths turned into bridleways or permissive tracks). So Cut Throat bridge it is...
About 2/3rds of the way down, rattling along on a smooth section and having just manualed a drainage channel when all hell breaks loose.
I have a fleeting glimpse of my right hand spontaneously separating from the bike, still holding the grip and the front brake lever going with, and then I'm flying through the air and crashing into the gorse and rocks to the low side of the track. A couple of barrel rolls and I'm winded and fucking hurting all over.
Luckily, or not, there's no one around to hear my furious and prolonged swearing once I've got my breath back and stopped doing a Lois Griffin....
...and I eventually get back to my feet and drag the bike out from the gorse...
Yep, the handlebars have snapped under the front brake lever clamp....
There's Les Arc, which is a super steep and Alpine style - hence it's name - chus. But Les Arc has a few things going against it, it's not exactly "cheeky" but there's no express permission from the landowner to cycle it, only walk, but more importantly it's in a really bad state of repair, both from rain water run off and from Strava wankers cutting corners to get a good time.
The other option is the path down to Cut Throat Bridge, less steep and technical but longer and in a better state of repair and fully legit (trail access and advocacy is a big thing in the Peak District, Peak District MTB club doing great work with trail repairs and advocacy; having got several footpaths turned into bridleways or permissive tracks). So Cut Throat bridge it is...
About 2/3rds of the way down, rattling along on a smooth section and having just manualed a drainage channel when all hell breaks loose.
I have a fleeting glimpse of my right hand spontaneously separating from the bike, still holding the grip and the front brake lever going with, and then I'm flying through the air and crashing into the gorse and rocks to the low side of the track. A couple of barrel rolls and I'm winded and fucking hurting all over.
Luckily, or not, there's no one around to hear my furious and prolonged swearing once I've got my breath back and stopped doing a Lois Griffin....
...and I eventually get back to my feet and drag the bike out from the gorse...
Yep, the handlebars have snapped under the front brake lever clamp....
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Jesus , not good, hope your OK. Overtightened lever clamp? Got to be “harrier tight” I suspect to lead to alloy failing like that.
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GET OUT OF MY MIND!MingtheMerciless wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 pm Jesus , not good, hope your OK. Overtightened lever clamp? Got to be “harrier tight” I suspect to lead to alloy failing like that.
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The Co-op's round here sell them as part of their lunch deals, I fucking love malt loaf and have written to Soreen asking them if they could do a sliced and buttered whole loaf. But I have yet to hear back....
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Wow wow wow. How do you actually get a bolt that tight without stripping it! Wowmillemille wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:27 pmGET OUT OF MY MIND!MingtheMerciless wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 pm Jesus , not good, hope your OK. Overtightened lever clamp? Got to be “harrier tight” I suspect to lead to alloy failing like that.
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As several people I met on the push/cycle back to the van said, I was very lucky not have impaled myself on the broken end of the bar.
I'm ok, done far far worse to myself on two wheels before. Nicely skinned right knee and bruises and gravel rash on various points of contact down my right side.
Renthal bars ordered, hopefully arriving before the weekend.
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I'm not sure whether it's the bolt being overtightened so much as cheap, no brand, bars being crap at resisting localised compression.weeksy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:32 pmWow wow wow. How do you actually get a bolt that tight without stripping it! Wowmillemille wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:27 pmGET OUT OF MY MIND!MingtheMerciless wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:26 pm Jesus , not good, hope your OK. Overtightened lever clamp? Got to be “harrier tight” I suspect to lead to alloy failing like that.
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Levers should be just tight enough not to move in day to day use but be able to move in the event of a crash, not that effing tight!
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They aren't currently over tightened, they can move in a crash...as the left one did when the bar failed. I suspect it is a legacy of a previous owner's bodging....MingtheMerciless wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:43 pm Levers should be just tight enough not to move in day to day use but be able to move in the event of a crash, not that effing tight!
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Lively Monster Truck……..more like:
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I notice you removed the wheels to give the fork lift a fighting chance!
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LOLZ.MingtheMerciless wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:46 pmI notice you removed the wheels to give the fork lift a fighting chance!
I'm paranoid about getting any form of lubricant on brake discs (and pads) so as soon as I've rinsed the bike off it's wheels off and pads out and then spray the whole thing with GT-85 and let it drip dry for a couple of hours and then lube the chain and put it all back together.
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Renthal'd right up!
Went for a much lower rise to try and put some more weight over the front to help the forks work better.
Off to Wharncliffe woods this afternoon to see what I can do to kill myself this time....
Went for a much lower rise to try and put some more weight over the front to help the forks work better.
Off to Wharncliffe woods this afternoon to see what I can do to kill myself this time....