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Noggers put this on FB...
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Mussels wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:25 pm It's age of death, not life expectancy so it just means more older people died than usual.
Exactly.

Say you had 100 people. Fifty of them are 30 and fifty of them are 80.

If half the young people (twenty five 30 year olds) and half the old people died (twenty five 80 year olds) died the median age of death would be somewhere between 30 and 80. I can't actually remember how to work it out, I've always hated stats :D

If half the young people (still twenty five 30 year olds) and ALL the old people died the average age of death would go up wouldn't it? Loads more people have died but the 'average dead person' is older now.

Would you conclude that things have improved for the elderly by looking at that stat?
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Yorick wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:20 am Noggers put this on FB...

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"Why did it work, Mama?"

"Because the smallpox virus didn't mutate."
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Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:00 am
Yorick wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:20 am Noggers put this on FB...

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"Why did it work, Mama?"

"Because the smallpox virus didn't mutate."
Because the majority had the vaccine??
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Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:00 am
Yorick wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:20 am Noggers put this on FB...

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"Why did it work, Mama?"

"Because the smallpox virus mutated to a more benign form"
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Clinical descriptions of the disease indicate that smallpox always had a high case-fatality rate until around the end of the 19th century when a more benign form of the disease, which caused a similar rash but a substantially lower mortality rate, emerged in the Western Hemisphere
Eradicated by vaccinations and isolation. Not herd immunity.
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slowsider wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:19 am
Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:00 am
Yorick wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:20 am Noggers put this on FB...

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"Why did it work, Mama?"

"Because the smallpox virus mutated to a more benign form"
Ftfy
Clinical descriptions of the disease indicate that smallpox always had a high case-fatality rate until around the end of the 19th century when a more benign form of the disease, which caused a similar rash but a substantially lower mortality rate, emerged in the Western Hemisphere
Eradicated by vaccinations and isolation. Not herd immunity.
Are we really trying to eradicate a coronavirus using the same method that worked on smallpox? We haven't cured the common cold yet.

Or flu.
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We never cured Smallpox either ;)
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Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:01 pm
slowsider wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:19 am
Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:00 am

"Why did it work, Mama?"

"Because the smallpox virus mutated to a more benign form"
Ftfy
Clinical descriptions of the disease indicate that smallpox always had a high case-fatality rate until around the end of the 19th century when a more benign form of the disease, which caused a similar rash but a substantially lower mortality rate, emerged in the Western Hemisphere
Eradicated by vaccinations and isolation. Not herd immunity.
Are we really trying to eradicate a coronavirus using the same method that worked on smallpox? We haven't cured the common cold yet.

Or flu.
We being the human race or the country ?
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The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated. Currently, there is no evidence of naturally occurring smallpox transmission anywhere in the world
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weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:05 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:01 pm
slowsider wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:19 am


Eradicated by vaccinations and isolation. Not herd immunity.
Are we really trying to eradicate a coronavirus using the same method that worked on smallpox? We haven't cured the common cold yet.

Or flu.
We being the human race or the country ?
Neither, We, as in Rev to the Limit.
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Yorick wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:09 pm The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated. Currently, there is no evidence of naturally occurring smallpox transmission anywhere in the world
AFAIK though there's not a cure - just a vaccine to stop you getting it. if you (somehow) catch it you're still in trouble.
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Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:27 pm
weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:05 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:01 pm

Are we really trying to eradicate a coronavirus using the same method that worked on smallpox? We haven't cured the common cold yet.

Or flu.
We being the human race or the country ?
Neither, We, as in Rev to the Limit.
lol i'm not sure we're doing a lot being fat IT nerds, layabouts and an odd random worker... The odds of us curing anything other than a ham in the next few years is very low.
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weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:32 pm
Saga Lout wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:27 pm
weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:05 pm

We being the human race or the country ?
Neither, We, as in Rev to the Limit.
lol i'm not sure we're doing a lot being fat IT nerds, layabouts and an odd random worker... The odds of us curing anything other than a ham in the next few years is very low.
But,,, but... but... WE made it to the final of Euro 2020, didn't we? :P
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weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:32 pman odd random worker...
I may be odd, but 'random'? :)
Even bland can be a type of character :wave:
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Horse wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:41 pm
weeksy wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:32 pman odd random worker...
I may be odd, but 'random'? :)
He mispelt the last word ;)
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Yorick wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:09 pm The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated. Currently, there is no evidence of naturally occurring smallpox transmission anywhere in the world
Coincidentally, that is word for word what https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/smallpox said. :)
The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated. Currently, there is no evidence of naturally occurring smallpox transmission anywhere in the world. Although a worldwide immunization program eradicated smallpox disease decades ago, small quantities of smallpox virus officially still exist in two research laboratories in Atlanta, Georgia, and in Russia.
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Hey, Alexa, where did that quote come from?
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I think putting up the smallpox vaccine success against covid isn't particularly helpful, especially the eradication aspect.
There are lots of factors away from the vaccine efficacy that enabled it that aren't shared by covid, especially the asymptomatic carriers and even those who do show symptoms being able to spread it before they occur.
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Kneerly Down wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:19 am I think putting up the smallpox vaccine success against covid isn't particularly helpful, especially the eradication aspect.
There are lots of factors away from the vaccine efficacy that enabled it that aren't shared by covid, especially the asymptomatic carriers and even those who do show symptoms being able to spread it before they occur.
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And a lamentable lack of cows involved too.
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gremlin wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:37 pm
Kneerly Down wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:19 am I think putting up the smallpox vaccine success against covid isn't particularly helpful, especially the eradication aspect.
There are lots of factors away from the vaccine efficacy that enabled it that aren't shared by covid, especially the asymptomatic carriers and even those who do show symptoms being able to spread it before they occur.
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* from a somewhat overweight IT nerd. ;)
And a lamentable lack of cows involved too.
Bats and pangolins too exotic for ya?