Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[weeksy]

Well, that's called personal choice. And surely it's my choice to be able to sit in a theatre without a mask?

Arguably a little selfish. I'm happy to wear a mask in places if it means people like Rosie get to join in.

2 of the 3 arguing to end restrictions so they can sit in overcrowded germ infested spaces and think it is acceptable to demand others stay permanently isolated if they want to live, I have no sympathy for them. Mr Radcliffe wants to get home and I do have sympathy there, not a nice position to be in.
Rosie can stick her theatre seat up her arse, she has no right to exclude others for her entertainment.

There seem to be many selfish arguments around now dressed up as being the greater good, however I am of the view that the current limbo needs to end. It may be that punters vote with their feet and put a lot of dives out of business or it may be the government makes more permanent restrictions on venues, or we might find that nothing changes and it's all ok.

I don't think it matters, 20,30,50% will always disagree here, there's no right answers for everyone.

[wheelnut]

Which inevitably means that infections and deaths will remain too high for a return to normality for some considerable time.
So whilst this might save some businesses, it still means that things like international travel will be fubared.

So, yes I do blame the government. We have speed limits which are enforced, we can't just make it up as we go along with impunity. Why is this different?

I think we're at a point where there are no other options - the current 'lockdown' isn't a lockdown and is having no real effect in stopping transmission. So we either go full on lockdown a la last March or we just start to live with it and hope a variant that causes issues doesn't develop. Those that refuse to take the vaccine have made their choice.

[Greenman]

Arguably a little selfish. I'm happy to wear a mask in places if it means people like Rosie get to join in.

2 of the 3 arguing to end restrictions so they can sit in overcrowded germ infested spaces and think it is acceptable to demand others stay permanently isolated if they want to live, I have no sympathy for them. Mr Radcliffe wants to get home and I do have sympathy there, not a nice position to be in.
Rosie can stick her theatre seat up her arse, she has no right to exclude others for her entertainment.

There seem to be many selfish arguments around now dressed up as being the greater good, however I am of the view that the current limbo needs to end. It may be that punters vote with their feet and put a lot of dives out of business or it may be the government makes more permanent restrictions on venues, or we might find that nothing changes and it's all ok.

I don't think it matters, 20,30,50% will always disagree here, there's no right answers for everyone.

Egg fucking zachary.

This discussion could go on until 2076 we will still be arguing all our different viewpoints.

No one size fits all here, make your own decisions based on what is best for you and yours, simple.

It's also only going to get worse as the overpopulated planet continues to grow and continues to move people even further into divided factions. I bet the governments are all sitting back laughing their arses off as the more division there is between us the easier we are to rule!

[Greenman]

So basically what you are saying is we have to stay in forever, never see anyone and ultimately have no life at all, right?

I don't know why you cant see that this is never going to go away.

No, what I’m saying is it’s soon going to be up to you how much you spread it around, or not, so the results will be entirely down to your actions and you won’t be able to blame the government.

So up until now it was the governments fault right, is that what your saying?

But now they are advising us to do what want but be careful, it is now going to be our fault if infections rise?

You should be a tory mate, you'd make a good one.

Can i just throw this out to you, why has New Zealand had very very few infections?

[Yambo]

Can i just throw this out to you, why has New Zealand had very very few infections?

Cos they're all gender fluid?

[Greenman]

Can i just throw this out to you, why has New Zealand had very very few infections?

Cos they're all gender fluid?

What the fuck is gender fluid?

[Mr. Dazzle]

What the fuck is gender fluid?

Something that's different to what it used to be

[Greenman]

Were you reading something different, because that's not what I understood from that?

Maybe i should of quoted his entire post. go read it

lol you're still a bit 'rabid pitbull'...

Chill the fuck fella it's a nice place... lets not get all tetchy.

Its the only way i know how to get my point across, get it all out at once.

I have discussions with my South Africa friend who has a similar personality and sometimes staff in pubs have come over to ask us to calm down as they don't want any trouble, but we we're really just having a conversation lol - his GF literally moves to a different table when me and him get into discussions about politics, he's a tory!

[weeksy]

Maybe i should of quoted his entire post. go read it

lol you're still a bit 'rabid pitbull'...

Chill the fuck fella it's a nice place... lets not get all tetchy.

Its the only way i know how to get my point across, get it all out at once.

I have discussions with my South Africa friend who has a similar personality and sometimes staff in pubs have come over to ask us to calm down as they don't want any trouble, but we we're really just having a conversation lol - his GF literally moves to a different table when me and him get into discussions about politics, he's a tory!

Lets try not to give you a table all to yourself here then hey

[Greenman]

Its the only way i know how to get my point across, get it all out at once.

I have discussions with my South Africa friend who has a similar personality and sometimes staff in pubs have come over to ask us to calm down as they don't want any trouble, but we we're really just having a conversation lol - his GF literally moves to a different table when me and him get into discussions about politics, he's a tory!

That's all well and good, but it helps if you make sense as well.

I'm making sense, you just don't get it

[slowsider]

About a month after the 19th July is my bet, as they will use the freedom they are allowing us 'allowing us' to attend festivals etc and will then use that freedom to say it is our fault we are now having to lock back down.

It's standard policy for any political party, pass blame onto those who cannot fight back!

The government are going to relax their rules and put the responsibility of being sensible back into your hands - if in response you're going to go and hang out with all your mates at music events that are rammed to the gunnels with drunk/drugged people then the outcome is on you, accept some responsibility for yourself and stop trying to blame the government for your actions.

Are you actually saying that you and your friends cannot cope with responsibility and need to be permanently shepherded away from your own calamity? If they don't make knives illegal and you stab yourself in the face then who's fault is it?

Knives?
So your example illustrating personal responsibility is an item that the govt have decided people clearly cannot cope with responsibility for?

[Yorick]

[weeksy]

[wheelnut]

I'm making sense, you just don't get it

Sorry Greenie - you;re not making any sense.

You're praising NZ for having few cases due to extremely draconion lockdowns and border controls but complaining that Boris has locked us down?

Lockdown and restrictions reduce cases, no lockdowns and the cases grow. Unfortunately we can't have it both ways so which way would you prefer?

[Yorick]

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[gremlin]

We need that screen shot posted a few more times. I don't think it's on every second page just yet.....

[slowsider]

I'm making sense, you just don't get it

Sorry Greenie - you;re not making any sense.

You're praising NZ for having few cases due to extremely draconion lockdowns and border controls but complaining that Boris has locked us down?

Lockdown and restrictions reduce cases, no lockdowns and the cases grow. Unfortunately we can't have it both ways so which way would you prefer?

NZ and UK tactics are not comparable.

[wheelnut]

NZ and UK tactics are not comparable.

Don’t tell me, tell Greenie.

[slowsider]

NZ and UK tactics are not comparable.

Don’t tell me, tell Greenie.

You're the one comparing them.

[wheelnut]

You're the one comparing them.

Am I? Where?