How many of you have had professional coaching to improve your road riding

[Potter]

I do think I could improve my lines...

I doubt it, especially since you seem to have quite a high awareness of the road conditions and where the best place to put your tyres.

And even if you did get some slight improvement, would you enjoy it more?

[The Spin Doctor]

The reason I don't buy into most of this advanced training is that you can't just slide experience into someone's brain

How do you think an airline pilot learns to fly? Do you think they say "take that Airbus up and stooge around till you're happy to carry some paying passengers"?

That was pretty much how it worked in 1940, but the airline industry has moved on a bit since then.

One of the constant comments post-training is "I hear your voice in my head as I ride"... so it would seem you CAN slide some experience into someone's brain.

[Potter]

How do you think an airline pilot learns to fly?

With 1,500hrs of practice before he's signed off.
Which is what I said.

[Horse]

How do you think an airline pilot learns to fly?

With 1,500hrs of practice before he's signed off.
Which is what I said.

How much practice with an instructor or accompanied by a training captain, how much in a simulator? How much learning from manuals, how much learning the checklists? Presumably you know to make that statement?

[Potter]

How much practice with an instructor or accompanied by a training captain, how much in a simulator? How much learning from manuals, how much learning the checklists? Presumably you know to make that statement?

Dunno, I googled it, ask spin, he's the one that bought it in as an argument against my assertion that it takes thousands of hours to train humans to do certain things.

How much would you charge for 1,500hrs training?

[The Spin Doctor]

How do you think an airline pilot learns to fly?

With 1,500hrs of practice before he's signed off.
Which is what I said.

But HOW is he gaining that practice? As I said, he's not simply handed a multi-million pound plane and told "take it up yourself and find out what it'll do", is he or she?

[The Spin Doctor]

Dunno, I googled it, ask spin, he's the one that bought it in as an argument against my assertion that it takes thousands of hours to train humans to do certain things.

No, I introduced pilot training because you said "you can't just slide experience into someone's brain".

Quite clearly, training allows you to do just that. But the more complex, the task, the longer the training procedure.

[Horse]

Dunno, I googled it, ask spin, he's the one that bought it in as an argument against my assertion that it takes thousands of hours to train humans to do certain things.

No, I introduced pilot training because you said "you can't just slide experience into someone's brain".

Quite clearly, training allows you to do just that. But the more complex, the task, the longer the training procedure.

Don't be daft. You learn to fly those things by osmosis, or following your mate as he flies another plane

[Potter]

But HOW is he gaining that practice? As I said, he's not simply handed a multi-million pound plane and told "take it up yourself and find out what it'll do", is he or she?

You're not allowed to do it alone because of the financial and legal implications of them crashing it.

No, I introduced pilot training because you said "you can't just slide experience into someone's brain".

Quite clearly, training allows you to do just that. But the more complex, the task, the longer the training procedure.

If you could just slide the experience in then you wouldn't need 1,500hrs of training/experience.

[Potter]

Don't be daft. You learn to fly those things by osmosis, or following your mate as he flies another plane

Oh, I didn't realise that when you teach people motorcycle skills you both travel on the same bike.

[Noggin]

Over here the instructor is in a car following the bike

[Potter]

Over here the instructor is in a car following the bike

That's obviously wrong because Horse and his mate say that you can't teach someone to fly an aeroplane by following them in another one.

In other surprising news, I was taught to ride a horse by a lady that never shared the same horse I was on, sometimes she even rode alongside on another horse!

How about that!

[Horse]

No, I introduced pilot training because you said "you can't just slide experience into someone's brain".

Quite clearly, training allows you to do just that. But the more complex, the task, the longer the training procedure.

If you could just slide the experience in then you wouldn't need 1,500hrs of training/experience.

Doesn't that depend on how much 'experience' there is, how quickly it can be slid and how thorough the checks are afterwards to ensure it's been delivered?

Change a battery in a torch: moments. Change the battery in your van: longer. Change the batteries in a Tesla?

[Horse]

Over here the instructor is in a car following the bike

That's obviously wrong because Horse and his mate say that you can't teach someone to fly an aeroplane by following them in another one.

Oh dear, struck a nerve? How often is that a pilot training technique?

Actually, i could hive you an example of jet pilots being coached by someone following in a car, if you'd like?

[Horse]

Over here the instructor is in a car following the bike

That's obviously wrong because Horse and his mate say that you can't teach someone to fly an aeroplane by following them in another one.

In other surprising news, I was taught to ride a horse by a lady that never shared the same horse I was on, sometimes she even rode alongside on another horse!

How about that!

I taught someone to get his knee down, but never done it myself. (And it wasn't by simply saying 'ride faster').

So come on, tell us more about this pilot training undertaken from another aircraft. Surely, if it's so commonplace, the first solo flight wouldn't be such a big deal?

[Potter]

Actually, i could hive you an example of jet pilots being coached by someone following in a car, if you'd like?

Struck a nerve? I'm sitting here laughing at you, you're both so desperate to sell your magical motorbike courses that you're plucking at straws and arguing about jet fighters and cars

[Potter]

So come on, tell us more about this pilot training undertaken from another aircraft. Surely, if it's so commonplace, the first solo flight wouldn't be such a big deal?

No, I'd prefer to hear about why you're using this example of not being able to teach a man to fly a plane by following him in another one, as a pivotal point in your argument to sell me your particular brand of biking voodoo

[Horse]

Actually, i could hive you an example of jet pilots being coached by someone following in a car, if you'd like?

Struck a nerve? I'm sitting here laughing at you, you're both so desperate to sell your magical motorbike courses that you're plucking at straws and arguing about jet fighters and cars

See, we told you rider training wasn't always boring.

But you're stuck on your remote-controlled high horse

[Horse]

So come on, tell us more about this pilot training undertaken from another aircraft. Surely, if it's so commonplace, the first solo flight wouldn't be such a big deal?

No, I'd prefer to hear about why you're using this example of not being able to teach a man to fly a plane by following him in another one, as a pivotal point in your argument to sell me your particular brand of biking voodoo

I'm not selling anything. Where did you get that idea?

[Potter]

I'm not selling anything. Where did you get that idea?

I think the other fella takes money for doing it, I gather you're retired from it but you're still selling the idea, no?

I'm still interested in the plane thing though, how does it relate?