Do you reckon Stormzy will set up a scholarship for a white kid now?

[slowsider]

When did Oliver Jones-Lyons become a working class name?

Plus 'my dad can get me a job' is very City

[wheelnut]

.. presumably as it doesn't follow the prescribed narrative of the times.

It does seem to be very prescribed at the moment. There was a teenage swimmer on the BBC who had just won something or broken some record or other and she said she wanted to be an inspiration to all black kids. When she says that she wants to be an inspiration to all kids, that’s when we will finally get somewhere.

[Mussels]

Sort of 'tongue in cheek', ya know? Add a bit of flair to the thread title.

But compare the two offers. Both stipulate the ethnicity of the person receiving the scholarship. One given a warm reception, one dismissed with whispers, dare we say its name...racism! Yet, as is now being reiterated, white, working-class boys seem to be at the bottom of the heap.

In my opinion anything that specifies ethnicity, whether positive or negative, is racist, to promote one or some races is discriminating against all other races.

How do you move to a more egalitarian position without actively addressing the inequality?
If Cambridge admitted no black students for 5 years, what will change if you do nothing?

You have repeated that bit because it suits your argument but it isn't what the article said at all.

[slowsider]

In my opinion anything that specifies ethnicity, whether positive or negative, is racist, to promote one or some races is discriminating against all other races.

How do you move to a more egalitarian position without actively addressing the inequality?
If Cambridge admitted no black students for 5 years, what will change if you do nothing?

You have repeated that bit because it suits your argument but it isn't what the article said at all.

Note the 'if'.
The substantive part of that highlighted sentence is the second part, do you have a view on that?

[Mussels]

How do you move to a more egalitarian position without actively addressing the inequality?
If Cambridge admitted no black students for 5 years, what will change if you do nothing?

You have repeated that bit because it suits your argument but it isn't what the article said at all.

Note the 'if'.
The substantive part of that highlighted sentence is the second part, do you have a view on that?

Your statement about Cambridge not admitting black students is not true, if nothing changes they will carry on admitting black students.
'What will change if you do nothing?' is vacuous.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Sort of 'tongue in cheek', ya know? Add a bit of flair to the thread title.

But compare the two offers. Both stipulate the ethnicity of the person receiving the scholarship. One given a warm reception, one dismissed with whispers, dare we say its name...racism! Yet, as is now being reiterated, white, working-class boys seem to be at the bottom of the heap.

In my opinion anything that specifies ethnicity, whether positive or negative, is racist, to promote one or some races is discriminating against all other races.

How do you move to a more egalitarian position without actively addressing the inequality?
If Cambridge admitted no black students for 5 years, what will change if you do nothing?

You statement assumes there's inequality between white and black people in the UK, I don't think there is.
Cambridge already has black students, why do you need change?

[Mr Moofo]

In my opinion anything that specifies ethnicity, whether positive or negative, is racist, to promote one or some races is discriminating against all other races.

How do you move to a more egalitarian position without actively addressing the inequality?
If Cambridge admitted no black students for 5 years, what will change if you do nothing?

You statement assumes there's inequality between white and black people in the UK, I don't think there is.
Cambridge already has black students, why do you need change?

Just to throw a spanner in the works.
Isn't some of the issue here how aspiration groups / cultures are?

In the UK ( like Germany) we are slowly developing an underclass - those who don't want to make an effort, are used to state support, not really wanting to better themselves - and happy for the state to pay of their needs.
If you travel to SEA - most groups are highly aspirational - whether Malay, Chinese or whatever background they come from. The whole parenting culture seems different - with kids expected to, and encouraged to work.
In Britain, whether it is black, white, welsh, scottish or origin unknown, we seem to have many absentee parents, no moral structure, very little encouragement to youth to better themselves. BTW this applies to all classes not just the "working class".
The "proud" working class died long ago - if you look at Momentum, it seems to be staffed and run by public school marxists and trustafarians.

But I can see that in a Birmingham sink estate there is very little to motivate the yoof, other that drugs, sex and crime.

[slowsider]

In my opinion anything that specifies ethnicity, whether positive or negative, is racist, to promote one or some races is discriminating against all other races.

How do you move to a more egalitarian position without actively addressing the inequality?
If Cambridge admitted no black students for 5 years, what will change if you do nothing?

You statement assumes there's inequality between white and black people in the UK, I don't think there is.
Cambridge already has black students, why do you need change?

You not thinking there is inequality does not make it so.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ ... statistics
https://www.barnardos.org.uk/blog/how-s ... -people-uk

[slowsider]

You have repeated that bit because it suits your argument but it isn't what the article said at all.

Note the 'if'.
The substantive part of that highlighted sentence is the second part, do you have a view on that?

Your statement about Cambridge not admitting black students is not true, if nothing changes they will carry on admitting black students.
'What will change if you do nothing?' is vacuous.

The university have made changes.

In October last year, Cambridge revealed that the number of black students starting at the university had risen by more than 50% on the previous year.
It said the generosity of UK grime artist Stormzy, who began providing scholarships for black students at Cambridge in 2018, has helped to break down barriers.

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-05 ... ecord-high

[Yambo]

When did Oliver Jones-Lyons become a working class name?

Plus 'my dad can get me a job' is very City

It used to be very dock labour scheme.

Who said social mobility is dead?

[Yambo]

The university have made changes.

In October last year, Cambridge revealed that the number of black students starting at the university had risen by more than 50% on the previous year.
It said the generosity of UK grime artist Stormzy, who began providing scholarships for black students at Cambridge in 2018, has helped to break down barriers.

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-05 ... ecord-high

Until they tell us what the barriers were, who erected them and the numbers that made for a 50% increase, that statement doesn't actually mean much.

[Skub]

Plus 'my dad can get me a job' is very City

That was the sole method of recruitment for Harland & Wolf and Shorts aircraft factory when I began serving my time in 1971.

I don't know how I got in,because the fuckers didn't trust anyone getting off a green bus.

[slowsider]

When did Oliver Jones-Lyons become a working class name?

Plus 'my dad can get me a job' is very City

It used to be very dock labour scheme.

Who said social mobility is dead?

Nepotism isn't social mobility - unless your docker dad can get you a job in an investment bank

[Kneerly Down]

And if 3% of the population is ethnic minority, you'd expect more than zero of them to go to Cambridge in 5 years. Figures from gremmers Stormzy link.

Gremmer's Stormzy link doesn't say that zero ethnic minorities went to Cambridge for 5 years.
It said:

some Cambridge colleges didn't take in any black students from 2012 to 2016.

Some Cambridge colleges includes e.g. Peterhouse College, that takes on c.75 undergrads a year.
I'm pretty certain that Cambridge University, as a university, took on black students in every recent year.

[Greenman]

I was watching this on the tv down the pub yesterday, i posted this on FB.

Just watching the news about white working class being neglected.

Working class people do not let this government divide you.

There is no difference between white, black, asian or orange working class people, there is only rich and poor, that is the only real divide.
Do not let them bring more hate towards your fellow man, unite and make yourself stronger to fight corruption and inequality.

[slowsider]

Good to have you back, Wolfie.

[Skub]

I was watching this on the tv down the pub yesterday, i posted this on FB.

Just watching the news about white working class being neglected.

Working class people do not let this government divide you.

There is no difference between white, black, asian or orange working class people, there is only rich and poor, that is the only real divide.
Do not let them bring more hate towards your fellow man, unite and make yourself stronger to fight corruption and inequality.

It's a very cool ideal,but there's a fatal flaw in the realisation.

Every union official I've had the misfortune to encounter have been self serving,work shy version of management lite.

The Labour party used to be the workers refuge,but the same type of union character shat where he ate and allowed Bambi Blair to turn it into Tory lite.

And here we are today,they have turned their back on their core values and made themselves unelectable.

Like I say,your post outlined a nice ideal.

[gremlin]

I was watching this on the tv down the pub yesterday, i posted this on FB.

Just watching the news about white working class being neglected.

Working class people do not let this government divide you.

There is no difference between white, black, asian or orange working class people, there is only rich and poor, that is the only real divide.
Do not let them bring more hate towards your fellow man, unite and make yourself stronger to fight corruption and inequality.

Just supposing a working class person attains legitimate wealth, does that make him/her corrupt and inequitable by default?

[Greenman]

I was watching this on the tv down the pub yesterday, i posted this on FB.

Just watching the news about white working class being neglected.

Working class people do not let this government divide you.

There is no difference between white, black, asian or orange working class people, there is only rich and poor, that is the only real divide.
Do not let them bring more hate towards your fellow man, unite and make yourself stronger to fight corruption and inequality.

Just supposing a working class person attains legitimate wealth, does that make him/her corrupt and inequitable by default?

It would depend on the person wouldn't it.

Not sure what relevance that has here tbh.

My statement was that all this rubbish about black lives matter, white working class neglected etc is just more reason to create further divide between certain factions, i may be wrong, but that's how i see it.

People will take a lot of what they see on the news and in other media as fact, mainly because most people these days seem so fucking gullible and can't or just can't be bothered to think for themselves, so these stories could potentially be even more damaging to our society as a whole by creating more hatred between each other thus dividing communities even further.

[Yorick]

Going back to BLM, folk were hating footballers taking the knee as folk saw it supporting BLM.

They have now changed stance and it's solely about racism and bullying now.

A stupid bloke the other night booed when the England players took the knee. I ripped into him as a fucking racist. His replies were 100% proof.