Do you reckon Stormzy will set up a scholarship for a white kid now?

[gremlin]

Given that the data suggests it's working class white kids who are being failed in terms of education?

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-57558746

The term 'White privilege' does simmer my urine at times. What privilege is there in coming from a sink estate in south London? Already the report is being rubbished as an attempt to open up the race divide, presumably as it doesn't follow the prescribed narrative of the times.

WLM


And in case you didn't understand the Stormzy reference: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45206266

[slowsider]

Given that the data suggests it's working class white kids who are being failed in terms of education?

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-57558746

The term 'White privilege' does simmer my urine at times. What privilege is there in coming from a sink estate in south London? Already the report is being rubbished as an attempt to open up the race divide, presumably as it doesn't follow the prescribed narrative of the times.

WLM


And in case you didn't understand the Stormzy reference: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-45206266

Perhaps a successful white person will step up to the plate.

Although there appears to be no shortage of white people at Cambridge.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Perhaps a successful white person will step up to the plate.

Although there appears to be no shortage of white people at Cambridge.

You do realise that about 3% of the UK population is from ethnic minorities, what percentage of UK funded Cambridge students should be from ethnic minorities?

And I really enjoyed my white privilege living in a caravan with no bathroom from 1967 to 1974, when we moved to a council house it was like a palace by comparison.

[slowsider]

Perhaps a successful white person will step up to the plate.

Although there appears to be no shortage of white people at Cambridge.

You do realise that about 3% of the UK population is from ethnic minorities, what percentage of UK funded Cambridge students should be from ethnic minorities?

And I really enjoyed my white privilege living in a caravan with no bathroom from 1967 to 1974, when we moved to a council house it was like a palace by comparison.

White privilege isnt universal? No shit.

And if 3% of the population is ethnic minority, you'd expect more than zero of them to go to Cambridge in 5 years. Figures from gremmers Stormzy link.

[Yorick]

Perhaps a successful white person will step up to the plate.

Although there appears to be no shortage of white people at Cambridge.

You do realise that about 3% of the UK population is from ethnic minorities, what percentage of UK funded Cambridge students should be from ethnic minorities?

And I really enjoyed my white privilege living in a caravan with no bathroom from 1967 to 1974, when we moved to a council house it was like a palace by comparison.

More than 3% matey.

total: 0% of population (2017 est.) total: 0% of population (2017 est.)
 white 87.2%, black/African/Caribbean/black British 3%,
Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%, Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%,
mixed 2%,
other 3.7% (2011 est.)

[Mr. Dazzle]

I used to work with a guy who had a Cambridge degree paid for by a scholarship. He was white from a poorer background and his parents were disabled.

Other vaguely relevant anecdotes are available.

[Nidge]

Does anyone really think that “white privilege” means that there’s no such thing as white poverty?

[Yorick]

Does anyone really think that “white privilege” means that there’s no such thing as white poverty?

Yeah. I'm so poor I have to clean my own pool

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

Does anyone really think that “white privilege” means that there’s no such thing as white poverty?

Or that there are no rich black people?

[gremlin]

Does anyone really think that “white privilege” means that there’s no such thing as white poverty?

All white people had it by default a while back...

[Yorick]

A memory from early 80s Bradford.

A headmaster was upset that one class had 30 kids and only 1 was white. None of the other kids spoke english.
He said the white kid was suffering.

He was sacked the next day.

Have things come full circle?

[gremlin]

Perhaps a successful white person will step up to the plate.

They did. It didn't go down too well....
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-50947271

[slowsider]

Perhaps a successful white person will step up to the plate.

They did. It didn't go down too well....
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-50947271

So why the thread title?

[gremlin]

So why the thread title?

Sort of 'tongue in cheek', ya know? Add a bit of flair to the thread title.

But compare the two offers. Both stipulate the ethnicity of the person receiving the scholarship. One given a warm reception, one dismissed with whispers, dare we say its name...racism! Yet, as is now being reiterated, white, working-class boys seem to be at the bottom of the heap.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

So why the thread title?

Sort of 'tongue in cheek', ya know? Add a bit of flair to the thread title.

But compare the two offers. Both stipulate the ethnicity of the person receiving the scholarship. One given a warm reception, one dismissed with whispers, dare we say its name...racism! Yet, as is now being reiterated, white, working-class boys seem to be at the bottom of the heap.

In my opinion anything that specifies ethnicity, whether positive or negative, is racist, to promote one or some races is discriminating against all other races.

[slowsider]

So why the thread title?

Sort of 'tongue in cheek', ya know? Add a bit of flair to the thread title.

But compare the two offers. Both stipulate the ethnicity of the person receiving the scholarship. One given a warm reception, one dismissed with whispers, dare we say its name...racism! Yet, as is now being reiterated, white, working-class boys seem to be at the bottom of the heap.

In my opinion anything that specifies ethnicity, whether positive or negative, is racist, to promote one or some races is discriminating against all other races.

How do you move to a more egalitarian position without actively addressing the inequality?
If Cambridge admitted no black students for 5 years, what will change if you do nothing?

[slowsider]

So why the thread title?

Sort of 'tongue in cheek', ya know? Add a bit of flair to the thread title.

But compare the two offers. Both stipulate the ethnicity of the person receiving the scholarship. One given a warm reception, one dismissed with whispers, dare we say its name...racism! Yet, as is now being reiterated, white, working-class boys seem to be at the bottom of the heap.

Tongue in cheek, coat-trailing, trolling...
Your link said po' white boys do badly because schools in those areas can't keep good teachers. Isn't that the problem that needs fixing?

[asmethurst99]

The problem is that poor attainment by white working class males (I’m always uneasy with that nomenclature) has been discussed endlessly- Nick Cohen talked last year on Twitter about it - reports into it have been published again and again and it is about social
class and economics- so nothing sexy .
There are lots of other twists to this but in the main this is what is thought to be the cause by successive reports .
Social mobility has lessened in the last few decades .
Governments seem clueless to do anything about it

[Cousin Jack]

IMO, formed from both reading some of the research, and from anecdotal evidence from real life, the problem with poor white kids lies with the poor white parents. Poor non-white parents often have massive ambition for their kids, white parents often don't.

A long time ago, but a mate from the village I lived in won some sort of scholarship from Phillips. Basically they would educate him for free and provide a job, the downside was the he had to move out of the village. His Mum refused to let him go (he was16 at the time), saying that working for Holmans (the local engineering firm) was good enough for his dad, and was good enough for him. Holmans is dead and gone, Brandy (my mate's nickname) was last seen working in an electrical shop. Meanwhile a distant relative of my wife won a similar deal from Phillips, they paid him to do a degree, a Masters and a PhD. He was last seen earning megabucks

That sort of attitude is alive and well, in the West Country at least.

[Mr. Dazzle]

IMO, formed from both reading some of the research, and from anecdotal evidence from real life, the problem with poor white kids lies with the poor white parents. Poor non-white parents often have massive ambition for their kids, white parents often don't.

A long time ago, but a mate from the village I lived in won some sort of scholarship from Phillips. Basically they would educate him for free and provide a job, the downside was the he had to move out of the village. His Mum refused to let him go (he was16 at the time), saying that working for Holmans (the local engineering firm) was good enough for his dad, and was good enough for him. Holmans is dead and gone, Brandy (my mate's nickname) was last seen working in an electrical shop. Meanwhile a distant relative of my wife won a similar deal from Phillips, they paid him to do a degree, a Masters and a PhD. He was last seen earning megabucks

That sort of attitude is alive and well, in the West Country at least.

BBC news article on the matter says as much, at least anecdotally. There's a lad on their who summed up the attitudes thusly;

"There's this nagging feeling that it's not for me," says 18-year-old Oliver Jones-Lyons, describing the "suspicions" about the value of education that he thinks hold back some white working class communities....There's an inclination to turn away from exams and instead say "my dad can get us a job"...."There's a lack of explanation of how education is helping you"

Mrs. D's parents were the same to some extent, anyone who wants to do better has "ideas above their station" or "needs putting in their place".