Inevitable new bike thread

[Yorick]

I once turned right into a side street, through a line of waiting cars.
The car at front of gap suddenly reversed, knocking me off.

That couldn't have been foreseen

[Horse]

I once turned right into a side street, through a line of waiting cars.
The car at front of gap suddenly reversed, knocking me off.

That couldn't have been foreseen

True. It's a shame that cars don't have special lights to show that they might reverse

[Yorick]

I once turned right into a side street, through a line of waiting cars.
The car at front of gap suddenly reversed, knocking me off.

That couldn't have been foreseen

True. It's a shame that cars don't have special lights to show that they might reverse

Save your smart arse comments for somebody who cares.

[The Spin Doctor]

The people that created this hysteria and the belief that everyone can die of old age if only we'd do their courses vex me.

In the workplace I'll have it all day long, in fact I'm fanatical that you should be able to come to work and be safe, so I support my QHSE guys to the n'th degree, they have more power than anyone else in the company and I want everyone to go home without experiencing any kind of upset. But in my hobbies and sports that are a bit dangerous then step back, I'll make my own choices about risk, don't preach your voodoo to me.

I'm hope you're not suggesting that I'm purveying hysteria and voodoo.

As I have said many times, here and in the other places, I don't have much faith in the standard approach to rider safety and training myself, and I've said so repeatedly since the 1990s, much to the annoyance of the people who do support those organisations. It's stuck pretty firmly in the safety thinking of the 1950s. I realised some years back that my thinking is far closer to the Safety II model:

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One thing you'll never hear me say is that "riding is safe, done right". You might on a conventional training course. But you know and I know it's not, it never was and it never will be. There's always risk, but only when we understand the risks can we attempt to manage them. If we don't know the risks that spring from turning vehicles, there's no way to manage them effectively. You don't hear the aviation industry saying "shit happens" or "there was nothing we could do" when something goes wrong. They do their damndest to find out what went wrong, try to prevent it from happening again when possible, but also work bloody hard to give the guys and girls at the pointy end of the plane the knowledge firstly to recognise what's going wrong, and secondly what to do about it.

And lastly I'm not trying to sell you a course... I'm trying to change the way we ALL think about crashes. And I was actually offering you a free copy of a book I have written to try to educate riders into the SMIDSY crash... it's still on offer if you want it. It doesn't have to be read in bed, either.

[The Spin Doctor]

"He's learning" you said... but isn't that what teachers are for? To help us learn from someone ELSES experience?

I forgot to include my Einstein quote...

"“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

[Horse]

I once turned right into a side street, through a line of waiting cars.
The car at front of gap suddenly reversed, knocking me off.

That couldn't have been foreseen

True. It's a shame that cars don't have special lights to show that they might reverse

Save your smart arse comments for somebody who cares.

It's not like you to be snarky, but I knew that if we waited long enough ...

[asmethurst99]

I was riding up Bethnal Green road in light traffic - loads of market stalls closing for the day. A couple of Side roads people often turn into.

A small car I was following behind had its right-hand indicator on there was great temptation to pass on the inside where there was room as he,d moved over to make a turn , however I didn't and 3 seconds later the car pulled over to the left and parked.
It's just my massive suspicion and complete mistrust of other drivers in London where I do the majority of my riding.

[Horse]

"He's learning" you said... but isn't that what teachers are for? To help us learn from someone ELSES experience?

Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.

One of the most substantial changes, for me, was moving from 'aims and objectives' to 'learning intention' and success criteria'.

Although I had heard the term 'pupil centred learning', this was what made sense to achieve it (along with formative assessment).

The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at.

As Spin has noted, crash stats show the riders are still having the main three types of crash, so whatever is currently being done isn't working. AFAIK Spin isn't Alice.

[Horse]

That's a date, but you don't need to bring the hat.

[The Spin Doctor]

Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.

So... that's what I've been offering - information. As you say, the next step is yours (and your lad's)

The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at...

and being able to recognise a brick wall.

[Yorick]

Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.

So... that's what I've been offering - information. As you say, the next step is yours (and your lad's)

The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at...

and being able to recognise a brick wall.

Racers love a brick wall. Check out Handley's

[The Spin Doctor]

Racers love a brick wall. Check out Handley's

My first lap of the TT circuit (as a spectator of course) that particular corner scared the sh!t out of me.

[Horse]

Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.

So... that's what I've been offering - information. As you say, the next step is yours (and your lad's)

The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at...

and being able to recognise a brick wall.

Racers love a brick wall. Check out Handley's

https://www.hamleys.com/

[The Spin Doctor]

The other one that made me wince was Hillberry.

[Yorick]

The other one that made me wince was Hillberry.

I once sat on the bank there in 91. Foggy and Hizzy came through flat stick in practice on the mighty RVF Hondas. Scaaaary.

[asmethurst99]

And GWS Potter junior

[Dodgy69]

The other one that made me wince was Hillberry.

Is it brandish...left hander mild up from bungalow. Bit blind.

[Dodgy69]

No its Brandywell.

[The Spin Doctor]

It's the right hander after Brandish... there's just something about Hillberry that sucks you in... with a very solid bank on the outside.

[Dodgy69]

and a bump on the inside.