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"He's learning" you said... but isn't that what teachers are for? To help us learn from someone ELSES experience?

I forgot to include my Einstein quote...

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Yorick wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:24 pm
Horse wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:28 pm
Yorick wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:43 pm I once turned right into a side street, through a line of waiting cars.
The car at front of gap suddenly reversed, knocking me off.

That couldn't have been foreseen :D
True. It's a shame that cars don't have special lights to show that they might reverse ;)
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I was riding up Bethnal Green road in light traffic - loads of market stalls closing for the day. A couple of Side roads people often turn into.

A small car I was following behind had its right-hand indicator on there was great temptation to pass on the inside where there was room as he,d moved over to make a turn , however I didn't and 3 seconds later the car pulled over to the left and parked.
It's just my massive suspicion and complete mistrust of other drivers in London where I do the majority of my riding.
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:41 pm
Throwing your hands up and saying "they're inevitable!" just means you're more likely to have the same accident again some point down the line.
Yeah I do that all the time, I wander around throwing my hands up, moaning that there is nothing that can be done and taking a victim stance.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:45 pm "He's learning" you said... but isn't that what teachers are for? To help us learn from someone ELSES experience?
Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.

I just typed out a massive long post but I cut it because I don't want to get into pseudo-intellectual ming-mong.
So I'll just offer my own advice.

I lecture at two Uni's for MSc students and when I'm engaged in pointing at information (i.e. lecturing) I watch them intently. With the majority I can see light bulbs sparking in their heads, because they never would have stumbled across the information on their own and it opens doors in their mind, but with some I can see them just nod, because they already get it and there is no point trying to drive anything home to them, they might not know all the facts on my slides but they knew the essence of what I was saying before they even entered the room, they are few and they don't need more information, they just need experience. The rest need the lecture because they are able to take the information in but they'll never find the answers on their own and they'll only ever know what someone else tells them.

The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at.
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By the way, thanks for the offer of the book, god bless :obscene-drinkingcheers:
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Potter wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:01 am
The Spin Doctor wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:45 pm "He's learning" you said... but isn't that what teachers are for? To help us learn from someone ELSES experience?
Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.
One of the most substantial changes, for me, was moving from 'aims and objectives' to 'learning intention' and success criteria'.

Although I had heard the term 'pupil centred learning', this was what made sense to achieve it (along with formative assessment).

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Potter wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:01 am The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at.
As Spin has noted, crash stats show the riders are still having the main three types of crash, so whatever is currently being done isn't working. AFAIK Spin isn't Alice.
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Horse wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:01 am
As Spin has noted, crash stats show the riders are still having the main three types of crash, so whatever is currently being done isn't working. AFAIK Spin isn't Alice.
Honestly I cba to get into a polite ming-mong about who's the best at knowing more about human psychology and behaviour whilst using a motorised vehicle.

If we meet in the afterlife we'll have eternity to discuss it, but at the moment I'm busy.
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That's a date, but you don't need to bring the hat.
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Potter wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:01 am
Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.
So... that's what I've been offering - information. As you say, the next step is yours (and your lad's)
The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at...
and being able to recognise a brick wall.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am
Potter wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:01 am
Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.
So... that's what I've been offering - information. As you say, the next step is yours (and your lad's)
The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at...
and being able to recognise a brick wall.
Racers love a brick wall. Check out Handley's :banana-dance:
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Yorick wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:05 am Racers love a brick wall. Check out Handley's :banana-dance:
My first lap of the TT circuit (as a spectator of course) that particular corner scared the sh!t out of me.
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Yorick wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:05 am
The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:02 am
Potter wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:01 am
Teachers point at information, then you either process it or you don't.
So... that's what I've been offering - information. As you say, the next step is yours (and your lad's)
The key to being a good teacher is knowing the difference and not falling down the rabbit hole of thinking that everyone needs more of what you're pointing at...
and being able to recognise a brick wall.
Racers love a brick wall. Check out Handley's :banana-dance:
https://www.hamleys.com/

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The other one that made me wince was Hillberry.
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:31 pm The other one that made me wince was Hillberry.
I once sat on the bank there in 91. Foggy and Hizzy came through flat stick in practice on the mighty RVF Hondas. Scaaaary.
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And GWS Potter junior
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The Spin Doctor wrote: Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:31 pm The other one that made me wince was Hillberry.
Is it brandish...left hander mild up from bungalow. Bit blind. 😬
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No its Brandywell. 🙂
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It's the right hander after Brandish... there's just something about Hillberry that sucks you in... with a very solid bank on the outside.
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and a bump on the inside.
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