Dominic Cummings

[Horse]

Did you see the the 'whiteboard' photo? He tweeted it. BBC did a bit by bit view.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57254654

[demographic]

The layers on this are poetically sweet.

The lefties are flinging their own poo at the screen and whooping, they're excited but they can't quite work out why.

A chap goes nuts if he 'aint got nobody. Dommy sat for months knowing that everyone wanted to take him to see the rabbits, but he 'aint no Lenny, so the clever little shrew has mobilised an army of poo-flinging farm hands to keep George away from him.

We have a fairly reasoned thread going on for a while and then Potter/Iccy/Harry comes on and starts with the Left blah blah blah trolling again.
Are you going to edit your comments four times and delete your entire nasty bitter early morning trolling comments post again like you did Is Boris Bankrupt thread? I assume the record of your edits and deletions is still available for anyone with admin privileges.

I would have put a tenner on you posting with the left versus right divisive stuff and sure enough. Bing.
And you even mention the last book you put down, bless. Of mice and men.


Seriously, just give it a rest, you need to grow up from this childish trolling. How old are you now? 44?

Your bike related stuff is actually quite interesting, I like it.
You apparently have your life fairly sorted and according to you things are pretty sweet. Great, I'm happy for you.
So whats your problem then? Is it not quite as rosy in your garden or something?
Were you bitten by a poor person when you were young? Always still got night terrors about it?

Sheesh, just give it a rest.

[weeksy]

I assume the record of your edits and deletions is still available for anyone with admin privileges.

I don't believe that's the case... Although i can see when things are edited, i'm not convinced i can see what was there. Either way, i wouldn't post it up, people have 15 mins from time of posting something here to edit it, then the functionality goes away. This does mean people can have a little think about what they've written and sanity check themselves.

edit : I can see thread/post deletions, but i can't see edits.

[Jody]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/57254305

Quarantine was imposed on 273 arrivals from Wuhan in China while travellers from other parts of China, Iran and Northern Italy were asked to isolate voluntarily for 14 days.

A study from Imperial College later found that a third of Covid transmission had come from Spain and 29% from France (neither of which faced restrictions), with hardly any coming from China.

I'm not sure what they're getting at there^
If Quarantine and isolation were imposed on China and restrictions on other 'hot' countries then surely you'd not be surprised that of the cases that did appear, most weren't from the countries you have restrictions against?

This!
I'm sick of seeing social media posts saying "why have we got all these restrictions in place if only xxx number of people have died". Yes numbnuts, because of the restrictions 'only' that many died FFS

[demographic]

I assume the record of your edits and deletions is still available for anyone with admin privileges.

I don't believe that's the case... Although i can see when things are edited, i'm not convinced i can see what was there. Either way, i wouldn't post it up, people have 15 mins from time of posting something here to edit it, then the functionality goes away. This does mean people can have a little think about what they've written and sanity check themselves.

edit : I can see thread/post deletions, but i can't see edits.

Ahh, apology for that then.
Pretty sure I saw a particularly venomous post that morning that seems to be missing now, hmm.

My mistake, must have been on another trolling post he made on another thread.
Anyway, I'm off work today so I'm away to walk daughters dog.

[Horse]

Ahh, apology for that then.
Pretty sure I saw a particularly venomous post that morning that seems to be missing now, hmm.

FWIW, on a board a couple of 'versions' back, a Mod quoted a piece of text I had deleted. So, in some forum software, it may be possible.

[Asian Boss]

I said it on the Boris Bankrupt thread: You do seem to call everything you don't agree with 'leftist' and / or 'moaning'. And you seem to do that a lot.

[DefTrap]

This is a politics section, I point out left and right hypocrisy

I'd like to point out that you fib like Cummings, it's 99% "ooh look at the lefty moaners"

[DefTrap]

Well, I would sat that there's "no debate on here" mainly because anything gov criticism gets shut down so quickly - I certainly can't be much bothered.

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

I do find the supposed left wing to be an odd bunch, they appear to think the way to win a general election is by discrediting the opposition rather than coming up with more popular policies, dislike democracy when people vote against them and resort to insults and bullying when people think differently to them.

[DefTrap]

He was 100% wrong a few months ago, but hold on...maybe now he's right.

And don't forget
He was 100% right a few months ago, but hold on...maybe now he's wrong.

I think it says a lot about who the government is hiring - do we really want to hire these sort of zero integrity bellends to lead government policy and make things happen "no matter what" ? because this sort of tedious end-game is always going to happen.

[irie]

He was 100% wrong a few months ago, but hold on...maybe now he's right.

And don't forget
He was 100% right a few months ago, but hold on...maybe now he's wrong.

I think it says a lot about who the government is hiring - do we really want to hire these sort of zero integrity bellends to lead government policy and make things happen "no matter what" ? because this sort of tedious end-game is always going to happen.

The world is full of zero integrity narcissistic bellends so it's no surprise that there are at least as many in politics as there are in other walks of life.

[Hoonercat]

Well, I would sat that there's "no debate on here" mainly because anything gov criticism gets shut down so quickly - I certainly can't be much bothered.

Give it a try, start something that isn't about "Bozo" having it large, going to Eton, guzzling champers and grilling swans.

My points about Cummins were the same as most here, I wasn't the first to mention left hypocrisy and right spin, Cummins knows he's out in the cold so he's trying to cosy up to anti-BJ cabinet complainants to make himself look like the victim. The effect is that people that wouldn't normally piss on him if he was on fire are suddenly suggesting that he's worth listening to.
He was 100% wrong a few months ago, but hold on...maybe now he's right.

I felt some sympathy when the press and activists demonised him and camped out in front of his house terrorising his family, but now he's courting those very people, so my sympathy has evaporated.

FWIW I think his accusations are probably not so far off, they do look like some snapshots of people trying to open a very large project or organisation at a moments notice with very limited information, you don't get drawings to follow in every job - the problem appears to be that some people have absolutely no idea about this and they must clearly assume that PM's, Ministers and leaders just lay the right answers out on the table every morning like little napkins.

The question I'd be asking is that if Cummins is so switched on and so right all the time, then was the government markedly much better when he was (allegedly) pulling the strings?

I don't think it's quite that simple. He was seen by many as the puppet master in the first half of last year, many of the bad decisions made by Boris were assumed to have been influenced by Cummins, who does come across as being somewhat cold of emotion. The story that is emerging now is that they were (apparently) in disagreement over many Covid-related decisions and that Boris was making decisions regardless of what Cumins advised.

[wheelnut]

He's got the better ground to take where he can at least make that claim. Boris has to admit he was winging it, or taking advice from a bloke that was winging it.

The whole world was winging it. Still are to a large extent. This upcoming public enquiry is going to be fucking painful, especially as it will be done firmly with the aid of hindsight.

[DefTrap]

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It's a decent tool to use actually, if you're the guy that makes the decisions it's always wise to outline your plans and ask for any objections or points to raise. Then you confirm the way forward in writing and ask for any points to be returned by 5pm - no one will reply because they rarely have the spine to go out on a limb, and it means they can't come back shaking their heads if it doesn't work out.

I'm not sure how having a meeting, confirming actions makes the others spineless when they don't raise further issues to an agreed plan. I'm not surprised though, I've been in enough pointless meetings which seem to be entirely about winning rather than content.

I don't think writing down vague manifesto ideals in a sealed envelope is a method for proving anything. One man's "efficiencies" is another man's "cuts" after all, and in this fake news and bbc-bias era politicians just deny everything anyway - and are wholeheartedly backed by their supporters.

[Yambo]

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Then there are the 'professional' complainers. No fucker will ever please them.

[Mussels]

I'm not sure how having a meeting, confirming actions makes the others spineless when they don't raise further issues to an agreed plan. I'm not surprised though, I've been in enough pointless meetings which seem to be entirely about winning rather than content.

I don't think writing down vague manifesto ideals in a sealed envelope is a method for proving anything. One man's "efficiencies" is another man's "cuts" after all, and in this fake news and bbc-bias era politicians just deny everything anyway - and are wholeheartedly backed by their supporters.

You've missed the point.

I'm fine with making decisions, but if you think it's wrong then speak up now, because if you sit there quietly then come after the fact with a smirk and say "Ooh I wouldn't have done it like that" you'll get shown the door. If you come with a degree of sympathy and point out it wasn't a good solution but you didn't have anything better at the time so we'll work together to find a better solution then I'll work with that.

Any political enquiry will be nothing more than Boris and his cabinet dug in defending after the fact information being used by the opposition for their own power grab, not because they actually want to find the right solutions.

I don't think it's that easy. I've often sat in meetings where I've agreed to a proposal but the final result that lands on my desk is unacceptable even though it could be argued that it matched the brief. Different people interpret requirements to whatever makes their lives easiest, the usual one is picking a process out of the parts bin because it's 'just the same' when it isn't.

[slowsider]

You can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Then there are the 'professional' complainers. No fucker will ever please them.

You just have to please enough of the people leading up to election time. And not irritate enough professional complainers to stimulate them to come out and vote against you.