wheelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 9:07 pm
Labour does have an issue on its hands though, Starmer is desperate to take the party away from Corbynism back towards the centre. The problem is that Boris is already sitting in that seat..
You think that Boris occupies the centre ground? I'd say he's about as far extreme right as you can go without goose-stepping into Parliament. Most of what Corbyn proposed is vewed as standard Social Democrat fare in most of Europe, particularly the Nordic states. It's a measure of how far the Tories have moved the political landscape to the right that Boris could ever be viewed as centrist.
Any administration that tries to criminalise popular protest is along way from the centre.
So says The Guardian
The fact is that Johnson said what he would do, the electorate voted for him, and by and large he's so far done what he said he would do. And furthermore has overseen a successful Covid-19 vaccination campaign.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Lutin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 10:40 pm
Fucked up on the track and trace and refused to stop people travelling when the one sure way to spread Covid-19 was to have people travelling.
Yeah, really successful.
The test and trace system, although clunky at the beginning, evolved quickly into a very slick system.
The problem with it lied with the people on the other end of the phone, ignoring calls, telling the operators to fuck off and generally not complying.
Lutin wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 10:40 pm
Fucked up on the track and trace and refused to stop people travelling when the one sure way to spread Covid-19 was to have people travelling.
Yeah, really successful.
The test and trace system, although clunky at the beginning, evolved quickly into a very slick system.
The problem with it lied with the people on the other end of the phone, ignoring calls, telling the operators to fuck off and generally not complying.
JamJar wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:10 am
That doesn’t sound very slick to me.
There was only two ways to stop the virus spreading back in the early days, you either get the public's full co-operation or you adopt the chinese model of shooting those who don't comply. Along with most western democracies that had little experience with this sort of thing we didn't do either.
wheelnut wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:22 am
There was only two ways to stop the virus spreading back in the early days, you either get the public's full co-operation or you adopt the chinese model of shooting those who don't comply. Along with most western democracies that had little experience with this sort of thing we didn't do either.
We did however.
A) Manage to avoid a complete meltdown of the health service.
B) Paid loads-of-money on some useful stuff (vaccines).
C) Reduce the spread to the point where we are going back to something near normal.
All without shooting anyone, and with the usual idiots who refuse to comply still mainly at liberty to disagree. That's not bad for an unprecedented event. Of course if I had been in charge we would have done better.
Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 4:13 pm
We did however.
A) Manage to avoid a complete meltdown of the health service.
B) Paid loads-of-money on some useful stuff (vaccines).
C) Reduce the spread to the point where we are going back to something near normal.
All without shooting anyone, and with the usual idiots who refuse to comply still mainly at liberty to disagree. That's not bad for an unprecedented event. Of course if I had been in charge we would have done better.
We did. And personally I don't think the gov did that bad a job. And you can add 'D) stop the economy totally collapsing' to that list.
inewham wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 10:50 pm
Stop goading each other or I'll just lock it
Just lock it.
Can't win can we.
One half says "you're too strict, why the fuck can't you let people argue nicely"
The other half says " just lock it, i can't see why you let this carry on"
If we leave it open, we're siding with them.... if we lock it, we're siding with those....
Potter wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:46 am
Mate, I don't mind either way, I've learned to live with them, but it's obviously pissing you off, so if that's the effect it's going to have then why let them run?
I'd put it more in the irrelevant things that BYP rather than pissing me off. I've accepted there'll be some politics, some current affair stuff, that's OK, but as you say, when it's purely designed to provoke that's when i get slightly irked by it. But trust me here, i'm not losing sleep over it, i won't be closing the forum over it. But i will call someone a cunt if i think they need it. That's where I'm in the fortunate position that i'm allowed to call anyone anything i like I didn't get reported yesterday but i'd have sure laughed if i had
Anyway.. it's not as much of an issue for me as you'd think it may be, but every now and again i'll stomp my feet a little.
I didn't get reported yesterday but i'd have sure laughed if i had 