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[ZRX61]

CDC say:


Until more is known, fully vaccinated people should continue to wear masks and stay 6 feet apart from other people in other settings, like when they are in public or visiting with unvaccinated people from multiple households.

They said LAST WEEK that vaccinated people mix outdoors WITHOUT masks & that unvaccinated people can mix with them WITHOUT masks. That would tend to indicate there's not one valid fucking reason to wear one outside. They keep throwing this "large groups" number about & it turns out they mean at sports stadiums.

[ZRX61]

Sounds like excuses.

You can call it what you want, but seeing as the CDC started handing out exemptions like candy I'll use them as I see fit. Usually when some fucking snowflake asks why I'm not wearing a mask outdoors & I point at an ear, mention I'm deaf & demand they take their mask off if they want to communicate with me...
CDC stated that NO ONE needs to wear one outdoors, we even had Biden appear outdoors wearing one to tell us we didn't need to...

[Saga Lout]

Doesn't that all become irrelevant if a variant occurs which sneers at the vaccine?

A new variant which means we need a new vaccine which means the "emergency" "which is all that enables these experimental vaccines to be used) will continue.

If I were a betting man, that's the way I'd bet.

[DefTrap]

'Experimental' vaccines indeed. These are tested to strict requirements, regulations which are globally similar on the safety front. The core value is patient safety. You're either suggesting the regulatory process is flawed or that governments (who normally can't agree on anything) have come together in secret to undermine it.

I do wonder where some of you get your stoopid opinions from. And then I remember most of you are sitting there in your beetroot stained PJs shouting at the BBC news.

[Saga Lout]

I do wonder where some of you get your stoopid opinions from. And then I remember most of you are sitting there in your beetroot stained PJs shouting at the BBC news.

I wonder where you get yours from.

"Correction, April 30, 2021: An earlier version of this check described the Pfizer/BioNtech, Moderna and J&J vaccines as being approved for use in the United States. This has been corrected to say these vaccines have been authorized for emergency use by the FDA. Vaccine makers will need to apply to the FDA for full approval to continue use after the pandemic." https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N2M70MW

It seems to be a matter of semantics. They're not experimental, they are authorised only so long as the emergency exists. Once the emergency is over they'll have to be withdrawn or get proper authorisation which takes a long time.

So the emergency will continue. The emergency continuing was my point.


EDIT: If they've been fully tested, i.e. not experimental, perhaps you could enlighten us as to their long term effects - say over 5 years or so.

[DefTrap]

EDIT: If they've been fully tested, i.e. not experimental, perhaps you could enlighten us as to their long term effects - say over 5 years or so.

Shame you didn't read your own Reuters link FFS.

If you read about Phase IV trials you will understand how post-release monitoring is used to assess any longer term issues. This is entirely normal and all part of the due diligence as you would expect.
And then you should also look at Phases pre-clinical through I, II and III to understand how it gets to release in the first place. Like I said, patient safety is paramount - these are entirely normal processes.

I've dealt with the FDA before by the way, I'd say they were dickheads to be honest, but if they really want to take a second look (probably because they're being leaned on by know-nothing numpties in gubbermint) in the cause of public safety at some point - then that's a good thing right? The MHRA and EMA are following (roughly) the same rules when it comes to authorising medications, so there's no good reason they should come to different conclusions

[JackyJoll]

The dramatic protest vote in Hartlepool should be a wake-up call to Boris and his COVID-bungling cronies!

Clearly the BBC’s really really serious wallpapergate corruption scandal is this government’s undoing.

I should have posted this yesterday!

[ZRX61]

"Correction, April 30, 2021: An earlier version of this check described the Pfizer/BioNtech, Moderna and J&J vaccines as being approved for use in the United States. This has been corrected to say these vaccines have been authorized for emergency use by the FDA. Vaccine makers will need to apply to the FDA for full approval to continue use after the pandemic." https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N2M70MW

It seems to be a matter of semantics. They're not experimental, they are authorised only so long as the emergency exists. Once the emergency is over they'll have to be withdrawn or get proper authorisation which takes a long time.

So the emergency will continue. The emergency continuing was my point.

EDIT: If they've been fully tested, i.e. not experimental, perhaps you could enlighten us as to their long term effects - say over 5 years or so.

90% of the stuff in this vaccine is already approved for use in other vaccines...
We get a new flu vaccine every year...is that experimental, or approved because they only change a small part of the vaccine from the previous one?

[Cousin Jack]

What does "reasonable herd immunity" look like? We've already vaccinated 34,934,171, (one dose) that's over half of the population, and 16,291,719, about a quarter of the population, have had two doses. Most places in the UK have fewer than 24 in 100,000 "cases", i.e. 0.024% (look at the colour of the map). https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

Some expert said that 80% of population immune is sufficient for herd immunity.
Other experts said that 90-95% is necessary before herd immunity actually works

NB. IMMUNE, so they cannot catch the virus. If I understand the current vaccine they do NOT give full immunity, some people still catch it, just not as badly. The idea of herd immunity is that the virus dies out, ie a person with the virus does not spread it to anyone else, so that the virus dies. If it just spreads a bit more slowly, and the people are poorly rather than dead, then herd immunity ain't going to work.

So a way to go yet.

[ZRX61]

NB. IMMUNE, so they cannot catch the virus. If I understand the current vaccine they do NOT give full immunity, some people still catch it, just not as badly. The idea of herd immunity is that the virus dies out, ie a person with the virus does not spread it to anyone else, so that the virus dies. If it just spreads a bit more slowly, and the people are poorly rather than dead, then herd immunity ain't going to work.

So a way to go yet.

They've had a few thousand cases here where vaccinated people have caught it, but most of them only found out because they had a blood test, not from feeling like they have the lurgy.

There are reports going around that at least 4,000 have died FROM the vaccine. They stopped the swine flu vaccinations after 52 people died from that vaccine..

[Horse]

There are reports going around that at least 4,000 have died FROM the vaccine.

Being reported doesn't always mean it's fact.



Here's the possible source for that figure:

https://www.statesman.com/amp/4989132001


AMERICAN-STATESMAN | 5 hours ago
Tucker Carlson: “Between late December of 2020 and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccine in the United States … The actual number is almost certainly higher.”

PolitiFact's ruling: False

Here's why: Fox News host Tucker Carlson suggested that thousands of Americans have died since December because of the COVID-19 vaccines, citing an unverified federal database that has become a breeding ground for anti-vaccine misinformation.

The comments were the latest in a series of controversial remarks by Carlson raising doubts about the vaccines, which clinical trials and real-world studies have shown both safe and effective.

"Between late December of 2020 and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccine in the United States — 3,362," Carlson told millions of viewers during his primetime TV show May 5. "That’s an average of roughly 30 people every day."

"The actual number is almost certainly higher than that, perhaps vastly higher than that," he added. "It’s clear that what is happening now, for whatever reason, is not even close to normal."

Carlson said he was citing numbers from the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, an open-source database often misused by anti-vaccine activists to make false claims about vaccine safety. Experts rejected Carlson’s claim as misleading.

That’s because VAERS data is considered unreliable for drawing causal conclusions. And dying after a vaccine is not the same thing as dying because of the vaccine.

"It is exceptionally irresponsible for this man to claim that all these are causal associations. It’s wrong," said Dr. Paul Offit, the chair of vaccinology at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine. "He puts people’s lives at risk with bad information during a pandemic."

[Cousin Jack]

There are reports going around that at least 4,000 have died FROM the vaccine.

There are reports going round that some Yanks will believe any bullshit.

[ZRX61]

And dying after a vaccine is not the same thing as dying because of the vaccine.

Ya mean like the 94%(?) of people who died *from* covid instead of *with* covid who hads a multitude of other factors like heart disease, diabetes, obesity, cancer, car wrecks, suicide, murder, renal failure etc?
& lets not forget 3700 who died in NY who were *assumed* to have had covid, but weren't actually tested.


In related news today:
Had to go pick up a tile sample today as the pool is being redone. No mask signs on the door as I walked in without a mask.. to the sight of 5 of the 6 employees wearing masks.
Asked what the deal was, "customers ain't required to wear masks"
So why are you wearing them?
"The Health Dept now requires employees to wear them, but not customers"
Why isn't she wearing one?
"She's on her lunch break"
LOL!!

Apparently the virus can now tell if you're there earning money or spending it.

[Horse]

And dying after a vaccine is not the same thing as dying because of the vaccine.

Ya mean like the 94%(?) of people who died *from* covid instead of *with* covid who hads a multitude of other factors like heart disease, diabetes, obesity, cancer, car wrecks, suicide, murder, renal failure etc?

Yup. Exactly like that.

Which is why looking at the number of deaths above the expected level is useful.

UK's




USA




Luckily, some deaths are logged in other ways, such as deaths on roads.

The nonprofit National Safety Council estimates in a report issued Thursday that 42,060 people died in vehicle crashes in 2020, an 8% increase over 2019 and the first jump in four years.

Plus, the fatality rate per 100 million miles driven spiked 24%, the largest annual percentage increase since the council began collecting data in 1923.

[Yorick]

We've been doing really well here, until a recent outbreak of 18 new cases.
Turns out they all came from a gym. Typical macho tossers. Oh, it wont affect us.
Well, yes it has. Tough.

[ZRX61]

Went shopping at Wally World today without a mask. Spent 30 minutes or so mixing with the Walmartians so I guess I'll find out of this vaccine actually works
No comments about the lack of mask from shoppers, staff or the many security peeps patrolling the place... altho to be fair, the security guards seem unable to notice white people & are usually seen profiling/shadowing the less pale among us.

[weeksy]

Went shopping at Wally World today without a mask. Spent 30 minutes or so mixing with the Walmartians so I guess I'll find out of this vaccine actually works
No comments about the lack of mask from shoppers, staff or the many security peeps patrolling the place... altho to be fair, the security guards seem unable to notice white people & are usually seen profiling/shadowing the less pale among us.

Seriously. FFS... take your comments like that and fuck off.... 1 week ban.

[ZRX61]

I hadn't seen mention of this kind of immunity before... (Mrs Skeletor in the pic is actually the head of the LA County Dept of Health...)

[ZRX61]

There's been demonstrations today in Orange County (next to LA County) by people pissed off about vaccine *passports*.... Except they all missed one important fact: They're 100% voluntary & if you don't want one, you simply don't ask for one.
Probably explains why this long time Republican county just flipped to Democrats.

I was asked today for proof I got vaccinated, but it was at my Dr's place & they want a copy of the vaccine card for my med records. Not quite Big Brother...

[ZRX61]

Fed judge slaps CDC on the peepee...

https://fee.org/articles/a-federal-judg ... _FEEDotOrg