Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine approved

[irie]

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-miss ... es-target/

In the meantime, some countries have turned to other vaccine manufacturers to source their doses, but they don't play a big role overall. At the end of March, Hungary had received half a million doses of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine and 1.1 million doses of Chinese Sinopharm/Beijing, according to the latest data from the ECDC. And Slovakia received 200,000 doses of Sputnik in early March.

Uh-oh.

https://apnews.com/article/beijing-immu ... 8ffbff6ef9

China’s top disease control official, in a rare acknowledgement, said current vaccines offer low protection against the coronavirus and mixing them is among strategies being considered to boost their effectiveness.

[Kneerly Down]

So, will people who have had the Sinopharm jabs still get a vaccine passport, and will it be valid anywhere west of the Danube?

[irie]

So, will people who have had the Sinopharm jabs still get a vaccine passport, and will it be valid anywhere west of the Danube?

Sinopharm jab recipients will definitely feel blue if vaccine passports are not accepted west of the Danube.

[weeksy]

Just booked my first for the 19th. Couldn't get in MAdjeski as it kept timing out, so ended up in Heathrow. Bit of a drive, but hey ho.

[Mussels]

Vaccines were opened up for my age group today. What a rubbish selection of vaccination centres, all the closest are about an hour drive away in town centres with rubbish parking. My choices were Eastbourne or a few in London so I've booked in to Eastbourne on Thursday morning.

[gremlin]

so I've booked in to Eastbourne on Thursday morning.

Knowing the population of Eastbourne, most of them would have been done in the very first group to be vaccinated, so should be quiet.

[wheelnut]

https://www.nomoresurgeons.com/post/covid-vs-clots

[irie]

https://www.nomoresurgeons.com/post/covid-vs-clots

The above would also seem to apply to the one shot J&J/Janssen vaccine.

There are recent reports of risk of blood clots with the J&J/Janssen vaccine which has been put on hold in the USA until the issue has been studied. Not surprising since it similar to the Oxford/AZ vaccine.

[Noggin]

I am struggling to understand how much people are up in arms about the blood clot thing

From the article -

79 cases of blood clots so far . . . . . . . . Over 20 million doses of the Astra Zeneca vaccine had been used

These blood clots have occurred in those receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine at a rate of about one in 250,000 (I can't work out the %age here as percentages are totally not my thing, but having taken a stab at it, 0.0004% chance of a clot??!)

Blood clots occur in 1 in 1000 women each year who take the oral contraceptive pill. Of course, this is not a direct comparison as women take the contraceptive pill every day rather than just once like a vaccine but it does help to quantify the risk somewhat.

It may also help if we remember that 1 in 250,000 is apparently the risk of your home being hit by a crashing aeroplane. This is a rather old statistic and presumably, the risk is a lot lower at the moment

So, 79 in 20 million - 0.0004% - so far against 1 in 1000 of women who take the pill - 0.1%??


I appreciate that it is a risk, but even against normal medicines, there is a much much higher risk of serious reaction from normal/usual meds than getting a clot from the AZ vaccine

And that's before you look at the risks of actually getting Covid badly??

[irie]

Use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has been temporarily suspended because there have been 6 blood clotting events and 1 death after the administration of 6.8m doses.

The world has gone fucking mad.

[irie]

Interesting take on the widely published European requirement to vaccinate 70% of the population to achieve herd immunity. This figure is predicated on the 'original' Covid transmission rate of about 2.5

Herd immunity = (1-1/transmission rate)/vaccine efficacy

Assuming vaccine efficacy = 85% and Covid transmission rate = 2.5
then vaccination rate required for herd immunity = (1-1/2.5)/.85 = 70%
(assuming no prior immunity).

But the transmission rate of the increasingly wudespread Kent variant B117 appears to be about 60% higher, thus the transmission rate becomes 2.5 X 1.6 = 4
The vaccination rate required for herd immunity = (1-1/4)/.85 = 88%

The 70% figure is now obsolete, and the true figure is nearer to 90%

[Saga Lout]

The 70% figure is now obsolete, and the true figure is nearer to 90%

And we're unlikely to reach 90%.
But at some point we're going to have to get back to normal*.
So what's you solution?


* If anybody remembers what "normal" means any more.

[weeksy]

The 70% figure is now obsolete, and the true figure is nearer to 90%

And we're unlikely to reach 90%.
But at some point we're going to have to get back to normal*.
So what's you solution?


* If anybody remembers what "normal" means any more.

Who says there's a solution ?

[Taipan]

Just booked my first for the 19th. Couldn't get in MAdjeski as it kept timing out, so ended up in Heathrow. Bit of a drive, but hey ho.

Do you know which jab you're having, or not bothered anyway?

[irie]

The 70% figure is now obsolete, and the true figure is nearer to 90%

And we're unlikely to reach 90%.
But at some point we're going to have to get back to normal*.
So what's you solution?

* If anybody remembers what "normal" means any more.

Who says there's a solution ?

If by "normal" SL means a return to the world as it was before the Covid pandemic then that's obviously not going to happen, for all sorts of different reasons.

Quite apart from the future need to manage Covid as a transmittable disease, there has been a huge restructuring of consumer habits and business models. It seems to me that would have been the next 5-7 years changes in consumer habits and business models have been compressed into 1-2 years, and these new consumer habits and business models are not those that would otherwise have existed in 5-7 years in the absence of the Covid pandemic.

So there will be a new "normal".

[weeksy]

Just booked my first for the 19th. Couldn't get in MAdjeski as it kept timing out, so ended up in Heathrow. Bit of a drive, but hey ho.

Do you know which jab you're having, or not bothered anyway?

No idea fella. I'll get what i'm given.

[Mussels]

Just booked my first for the 19th. Couldn't get in MAdjeski as it kept timing out, so ended up in Heathrow. Bit of a drive, but hey ho.

Do you know which jab you're having, or not bothered anyway?

No idea fella. I'll get what i'm given.

Mine is tomorrow and the vaccine type wasn't mentioned. As I have to go to one of the big vaccine centres rather than a local surgery it could well be Pfizer but I won't refuse the Oxford one.

[Horse]

As I have to go to one of the big vaccine centres rather than a local surgery it could well be Pfizer but I won't refuse the Oxford one.

Mine was done at a venue for combined local surgeries. It was Pfizer.

[irie]

Do you know which jab you're having, or not bothered anyway?

No idea fella. I'll get what i'm given.

Mine is tomorrow and the vaccine type wasn't mentioned. As I have to go to one of the big vaccine centres rather than a local surgery it could well be Pfizer but I won't refuse the Oxford one.

Your major risk to life will be the drive to the vaccination centre, so be careful.

[Saga Lout]

If by "normal" SL means a return to the world as it was before the Covid pandemic then that's obviously not going to happen, for all sorts of different reasons.

Quite apart from the future need to manage Covid as a transmittable disease, there has been a huge restructuring of consumer habits and business models. It seems to me that would have been the next 5-7 years changes in consumer habits and business models have been compressed into 1-2 years, and these new consumer habits and business models are not those that would otherwise have existed in 5-7 years in the absence of the Covid pandemic.

So there will be a new "normal".

There's always a new normal. The normal of 2019 wasn't the same as the normal of 1969 and the normal of 1969 wasn't the same as the normal of 1919. By normal, I mean getting back to walking the streets without jumping out of the way when somebody comes the other way, travelling on public transport and shopping without wearing a face mask, shaking hands, like civilised human beings, meeting family and friends without worrying about how big the group is and how far is 2 metres anyway?

We're not going to eradicate the virus, we're going to have to learn to live with it as it mutates. The sooner we accept that, the better.