Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine approved

[DEADPOOL]

This is another one of those damned if you do damned if you don't moments.

Not a good time to be a politician. Imagine the stress of being the person who makes the decision which directly influences so many lives.

Maybe Boris got "lucky" or maybe the UK agencies are simply more switched on but in years to come, Boris might well be hailed a hero.

What will the history books say about the EU I wonder?

[demographic]

This is another one of those damned if you do damned if you don't moments.

Not a good time to be a politician. Imagine the stress of being the person who makes the decision which directly influences so many lives.

Maybe Boris got "lucky" or maybe the UK agencies are simply more switched on but in years to come, Boris might well be hailed a hero.

What will the history books say about the EU I wonder?

I would normally say that even a stopped clock is right twice a day but personally I reckon it was more of a 24 hour clock.

Anyway, hows the Gamma these days?

[DefTrap]

The vaccine currently lacks all the links in the chain for an EU advanced purchase agreement.

As the EU's vaccine rollout continues to sputter, some countries hoping for a European deal on Russia's Sputnik V are thinking about working with Moscow directly.

Oh.

Proves the point not at all.
But allows you to knife the EU, again. A bit.

[irie]

The vaccine currently lacks all the links in the chain for an EU advanced purchase agreement.

As the EU's vaccine rollout continues to sputter, some countries hoping for a European deal on Russia's Sputnik V are thinking about working with Moscow directly.

Oh.

Proves the point not at all.
But allows you to knife the EU, again. A bit.

It is demonstrably the case that Covid-19 vaccine rollout in continental Europe has been botched.

Perhaps you would care to provide an alternative view as to who/what botched this rollout?

Thanks.

[DefTrap]

It is demonstrably the case that Covid-19 vaccine rollout in continental Europe has been botched.

Perhaps you would care to provide an alternative view as to who/what botched this rollout?

Thanks.

Nope. I have no intention of debating that.

I was responding to your rant about EU countries doing deals for Sputnik pre EMA approval, the same as everyone did with AZ. And Pfizer. And all the other ones.

But if you want to ignore that, then fine.

[Horse]

Supposedly Matt Hancock insisted on early ordering, having seen the Hollywood blockbuster 'Outbreak'.

I really should watch that. I suppose!!

Might be better to watch Soderbergh's film Contagion because that's what allegedly inspired Hancock.

Thanks. I was going from fallible memory from when it was mentioned in the press. Not seen either movie, if the first was even made.

And congrats on being the first person in 6 hours to notice. Or no-one else GAS

[irie]

It is demonstrably the case that Covid-19 vaccine rollout in continental Europe has been botched.

Perhaps you would care to provide an alternative view as to who/what botched this rollout?

Thanks.

Nope. I have no intention of debating that.

I was responding to your rant about EU countries doing deals for Sputnik pre EMA approval, the same as everyone did with AZ. And Pfizer. And all the other ones.

But if you want to ignore that, then fine.

[Noggin]

Looks like the French are getting faster at the Vaccine!

This Saturday 3 April 2021 (consolidated data), 9,251,321 people have been given the first dose of the vaccine in France, namely 13.80% of the population. 3,091,225 people have been given the second dose of vaccine, namely 4.60% of the population.

Number of people given the first dose per region in France:

Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes : 1,091,472
Bourgogne-Franche-Comté : 442,947
Bretagne : 501,715
Centre-Val-de-Loire : 342,460
Corse : 64,928
Grand Est : 816,612
Hauts-de-France : 867,969
Ile-de-France : 1,441,335
Normandie : 506,411
Nouvelle-Aquitaine : 943,004
Occitanie : 862,984
Pays de la Loire : 487,638
Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur : 794,314
Guyane : 10,055
Martinique : 16,032
La Réunion : 39,351
Mayotte : 10,093

Number of people given the second dose per region in France:

Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes : 362,910
Bourgogne-Franche-Comté : 158,852
Bretagne : 177,217
Centre-Val-de-Loire : 133,533
Corse : 25,071
Grand Est : 281,545
Hauts-de-France : 245,387
Ile-de-France : 438,565
Normandie : 169,247
Nouvelle-Aquitaine : 322,302
Occitanie : 303,950
Pays de la Loire : 167,077
Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur : 264,820
Guyane : 4,891
Martinique : 5,122
La Réunion : 21,446
Mayotte : 4,584

Not too shabby

[Horse]

Might be better to watch Soderbergh's film Contagion because that's what allegedly inspired Hancock.

Do you not believe him?

Asked by LBC about his own viewing of Contagion, Mr Hancock said the film influenced the government’s approach to placing huge orders with vaccine manufacturers as early as possible.

“In the film, it shows that the moment of highest stress around the vaccine programme is not before its rolled out – when the scientists and manufacturers work together at pace – it’s afterwards when there is a huge row of the order of priority,” he said.

The health secretary also said the movie influenced the government’s decision to set out a clear order of priority for the domestic rollout, in a bid to avoid ongoing squabbles over who should get the jab first.

[Asian Boss]

I hope when my turn comes I can get the German one. Not the side effecty blood clot AstraZeneca one. So much evidence of issues now - all the politically motivated frothing and head-in-the-sand ranting can't change that.

Not sure whether that is a serious post or not, but assuming that it is, what will you do if the only one offered to you by the NHS is the AZ one?

"Covid: UK regulator 'considering change in advice on AstraZeneca vaccine for young people"

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-06/cov ... ung-people

Epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson confirmed to Radio 4's Today programme that the regulator was "considering this matter urgently".

Speaking on Monday, Prof Ferguson said the development of blood clots in people who had been given the jab raised questions over whether young people should be given it.

In terms of the data at the moment, there is increasing evidence that there is a rare risk associated, with the AstraZeneca vaccine of these unusual blood clots with low platelet counts.




An upscale young professional such as myself would be wise to be cautious. And to disregard misinformation from Boris Johnson's government trying to blag their way out of a disaster; as well as laypeople making a lot of noise on unrelated internet forums.

[Saga Lout]

"Covid: UK regulator 'considering change in advice on AstraZeneca vaccine for young people"

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-06/cov ... ung-people

Epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson confirmed to Radio 4's Today programme that the regulator was "considering this matter urgently".

Speaking on Monday, Prof Ferguson said the development of blood clots in people who had been given the jab raised questions over whether young people should be given it.

In terms of the data at the moment, there is increasing evidence that there is a rare risk associated, with the AstraZeneca vaccine of these unusual blood clots with low platelet counts.

An upscale young professional such as myself would be wise to be cautious. And to disregard misinformation from Boris Johnson's government trying to blag their way out of a disaster; as well as laypeople making a lot of noise on unrelated internet forums.

WIbbly wobbly Johnson or Always Wrong Ferguson. Who to believe? It's a poser, right enough.

[DefTrap]

WIbbly wobbly Johnson or Always Wrong Ferguson. Who to believe? It's a poser, right enough.

Ferguson is just quoting the MHRA's position, which is and always will be, continuous review. He's not even putting any spin on it.
You know who the MHRA are right?

[Saga Lout]

WIbbly wobbly Johnson or Always Wrong Ferguson. Who to believe? It's a poser, right enough.

Ferguson is just quoting the MHRA's position, which is and always will be, continuous review. He's not even putting any spin on it.
You know who the MHRA are right?

He's a charlatan. Why are people still listening to him?

[irie]

On the other hand European countries are rushing headlong into deals for the supply of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine which has not (yet) been approved by the EMA (if it ever will).

Stupidity succinctly addressed by this letter.

And yet almost every other "deal for vaccines" was also done prior to regulatory approval.
How else were you able to highlight BJs foresightedness?

It's plunging new depths quoting Letters to the Editor from morons glued to the Telegraph by the way.

And what about these 'morons'?

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-miss ... es-target/

In the meantime, some countries have turned to other vaccine manufacturers to source their doses, but they don't play a big role overall. At the end of March, Hungary had received half a million doses of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine and 1.1 million doses of Chinese Sinopharm/Beijing, according to the latest data from the ECDC. And Slovakia received 200,000 doses of Sputnik in early March.

It doesn't say whether the Sputnik V and Sinopharm vaccines were actually administered so it is possible, but unlikely, that they're just sitting in storage awaiting authorisation.

[Saga Lout]

He has an OBE and he's very good at getting funding.

No doubt you're right, but why? Doesn't his reputation precede him? Why do the people who fund him, fund him?

[DefTrap]

It doesn't say whether the Sputnik V and Sinopharm vaccines were actually administered so it is possible, but unlikely, that they're just sitting in storage awaiting authorisation.

Maybe you should find out?

[Mussels]

WIbbly wobbly Johnson or Always Wrong Ferguson. Who to believe? It's a poser, right enough.

Ferguson is just quoting the MHRA's position, which is and always will be, continuous review. He's not even putting any spin on it.
You know who the MHRA are right?

I'm a little confused, Neil Ferguson has said MHRA are looking into it urgently. Nice that he's speaking on their behalf, is he part of MHRA or have MHRA publicly said that?

[Nidge]

Ferguson is just quoting the MHRA's position, which is and always will be, continuous review. He's not even putting any spin on it.
You know who the MHRA are right?

He's a charlatan. Why are people still listening to him?

He has an OBE and he's very good at getting funding.

I've worked on some projects with Ferguson for about 8 years. I don't think he's a charlatan; he is driven, can be difficult and not always pleasant but he is one of the most respected epidemiologists in the world with a strong track record and enviable H index. As far as I can tell he is motivated by the desire to make the world a safer place

[Nidge]

He has an OBE and he's very good at getting funding.

I've worked on some projects with Ferguson for about 8 years. I don't think he's a charlatan; he is driven, can be difficult and not always pleasant but he is one of the most respected epidemiologists in the world with a strong track record and enviable H index. As far as I can tell he is motivated by the desire to make the world a safer place

I don't know about any of that, I just said he has an OBE and he's very good at getting funding, I have no basis to call him a charlatan (and I didn't).
The criticism comes from people way more qualified than me.

Saga?

[Hoonercat]

On the other hand European countries are rushing headlong into deals for the supply of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine which has not (yet) been approved by the EMA (if it ever will).

Stupidity succinctly addressed by this letter.

And yet almost every other "deal for vaccines" was also done prior to regulatory approval.
How else were you able to highlight BJs foresightedness?

It's plunging new depths quoting Letters to the Editor from morons glued to the Telegraph by the way.

And what about these 'morons'?

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-miss ... es-target/

In the meantime, some countries have turned to other vaccine manufacturers to source their doses, but they don't play a big role overall. At the end of March, Hungary had received half a million doses of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine and 1.1 million doses of Chinese Sinopharm/Beijing, according to the latest data from the ECDC. And Slovakia received 200,000 doses of Sputnik in early March.

It doesn't say whether the Sputnik V and Sinopharm vaccines were actually administered so it is possible, but unlikely, that they're just sitting in storage awaiting authorisation.

Only a moron would turn his nose up at a vaccine because of where it was developed. It's all a bit Bill Gates

Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine gives around 92% protection against Covid-19, late stage trial results published in The Lancet reveal.
It has also been deemed to be safe - and offer complete protection against hospitalisation and death. The vaccine was initially met with some controversy after being rolled out before the final trial data had been released.
But scientists said its benefit has now been demonstrated. It joins the ranks of proven vaccines alongside Pfizer, Oxford/AstraZeneca, Moderna and Janssen.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55900622