Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine approved

[Bike Breaker]

I see Pfizer have stepped in to critisise the EU's posturing as well now, they say they rely on a key ingedient from the UK so I guess the statement on here before that they can get them elsewhere isn't completely true.

It's the excipients that they bought from Croda. There are other manufacturers and some are increasing their output with some manufacturing in Germany.

[Bike Breaker]

To go back to the vaccines, there have been some reports of blood clots following the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines so I'm wondering why they haven't been banned or suspended, too.

Some folk who had the vaccines have been caught speeding. Another won big on the lottery. Confusing times.

Yes, I know, but it's the different attutudes to each that I was commenting on.

[irie]

I see Pfizer have stepped in to critisise the EU's posturing as well now, they say they rely on a key ingedient from the UK so I guess the statement on here before that they can get them elsewhere isn't completely true.

I believe Pfizer can potentially also get the above key ingredient from a production site in the USA, but presumably that would require export authorisation from the US administration. That might prove to be "tricky".

[irie]

I see Pfizer have stepped in to critisise the EU's posturing as well now, they say they rely on a key ingedient from the UK so I guess the statement on here before that they can get them elsewhere isn't completely true.

It's the excipients that they bought from Croda. There are other manufacturers and some are increasing their output with some manufacturing in Germany.

Which I believe is due to come on stream in several months time.

[Hoonercat]

India, reportedly the world's largest vaccine exporter, has suspended exports of the AZ vaccine in order to meet its own domestic demand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55571793

Edit: exporter

[weeksy]

India, reportedly the world's largest vaccine producer, has suspended exports of the AZ vaccine in order to meet its own domestic demand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55571793

Doesn't seem unreasonable in many ways.

[DefTrap]

Took my missus for her second fizzer vaccine yesterday. Le local vacc centre was rammed, lady at reception said they're steaming ahead 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.

So, wonderful news for Nogs and I.!
And irie can stop worrying about us now eh? :/

[Kneerly Down]

Had my AZ yesterday and today SWMBO says I'm a clot... can't be coincidence.

[Mussels]

There seems so be a bit of a global shortage of certain ingredients, maybe it was expected and that's why the EU was in such a panic about expediting their vaccine orders.

[Noggin]

Took my missus for her second fizzer vaccine yesterday. Le local vacc centre was rammed, lady at reception said they're steaming ahead 12 hours a day, 7 days a week.

So, wonderful news for Nogs and I.!
And irie can stop worrying about us now eh? :/

The local centre is open 7 days a week too. Seems like the 'local' people aren't so keen here but lots of friends have been able to get the vaccine

Shame the local one won't follow the government plan to vaccinate anyone in the country even if they don't have the health card. But another one further away did so my friend went for his first this morning and I'll be booking his second this afternoon!

I suspect people in this area will come around to having the vaccine so they can travel and so that there is more chance we'll have a decent winter season - hopefully

[Hoonercat]

To go back to the vaccines, there have been some reports of blood clots following the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines so I'm wondering why they haven't been banned or suspended, too.

In the UK, 2 reports following the Pfizer vaccine (from 10 million doses), and 30 reports, including 7 deaths, following the AZ vaccine (from 18 million doses).
Tiny numbers compared to the amount of doses administered though, and still way down compared to Germany with 2.7 million doses aministered.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56620646

[irie]

On the one hand Europe has rejected AstraZeneca vaccine because of its alleged and unproven blood clotting side effect, in spite of the fact that Covid-19 is an inflammatory disease associated with blood clotting and the vaccine is at least 40 times more effective at preventing death than contracting the virus, and in spite of the fact that the EMA (European Medicines Agency) has repeatedly cleared the vaccine as being safe to use.

On the other hand European countries are rushing headlong into deals for the supply of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine which has not (yet) been approved by the EMA (if it ever will).

Stupidity succinctly addressed by this letter.

SIR – It is truly amazing that Germany and France are willing to trust Russia’s Sputnik vaccine and to denounce the AstraZeneca one, which has been approved by the EU and UK regulatory authorities as well as the WHO.

The West has surely learnt time and again that you cannot trust anything that comes out of Russia. If Russia says there are no side-effects to their vaccine, it would appear Germany and France are prepared to take their word. Have they gone completely mad?

Stuart Moore
Bramham, West Yorkshire

I have no idea who this person is btw.

[Asian Boss]

I hope when my turn comes I can get the German one. Not the side effecty blood clot AstraZeneca one. So much evidence of issues now - all the politically motivated frothing and head-in-the-sand ranting can't change that.

[Hoonercat]

On the one hand Europe has rejected AstraZeneca vaccine

Wrong thread, try this one
viewtopic.php?f=41&t=2531

[Tricky]

I hope when my turn comes I can get the German one. Not the side effecty blood clot AstraZeneca one. So much evidence of issues now - all the politically motivated frothing and head-in-the-sand ranting can't change that.

Not sure whether that is a serious post or not, but assuming that it is, what will you do if the only one offered to you by the NHS is the AZ one?

[DefTrap]

On the other hand European countries are rushing headlong into deals for the supply of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine which has not (yet) been approved by the EMA (if it ever will).

Stupidity succinctly addressed by this letter.

And yet almost every other "deal for vaccines" was also done prior to regulatory approval.
How else were you able to highlight BJs foresightedness?

It's plunging new depths quoting Letters to the Editor from morons glued to the Telegraph by the way.

[Horse]

And yet almost every other "deal for vaccines" was also done prior to regulatory approval.
How else were you able to highlight BJs foresightedness?

Supposedly Matt Hancock insisted on early ordering, having seen the Hollywood blockbuster 'Outbreak'.

[Noggin]

And yet almost every other "deal for vaccines" was also done prior to regulatory approval.
How else were you able to highlight BJs foresightedness?

Supposedly Matt Hancock insisted on early ordering, having seen the Hollywood blockbuster 'Outbreak'.

I really should watch that. I suppose!!

[irie]

On the other hand European countries are rushing headlong into deals for the supply of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine which has not (yet) been approved by the EMA (if it ever will).

Stupidity succinctly addressed by this letter.

And yet almost every other "deal for vaccines" was also done prior to regulatory approval.
How else were you able to highlight BJs foresightedness?

It's plunging new depths quoting Letters to the Editor from morons glued to the Telegraph by the way.

https://www.politico.eu/article/more-eu ... k-vaccine/

More EU countries eyeing separate deals with Russia for Sputnik vaccine

The vaccine currently lacks all the links in the chain for an EU advanced purchase agreement.

As the EU's vaccine rollout continues to sputter, some countries hoping for a European deal on Russia's Sputnik V are thinking about working with Moscow directly.

Oh.

[irie]

And yet almost every other "deal for vaccines" was also done prior to regulatory approval.
How else were you able to highlight BJs foresightedness?

Supposedly Matt Hancock insisted on early ordering, having seen the Hollywood blockbuster 'Outbreak'.

I really should watch that. I suppose!!

Might be better to watch Soderbergh's film Contagion because that's what allegedly inspired Hancock.