wasn't that so much, I wasn't arsed to post at the time
Chain lube/wax/paste
-
- Posts: 4966
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:39 pm
- Has thanked: 4320 times
- Been thanked: 2826 times
-
- Posts: 3717
- Joined: Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm
- Has thanked: 260 times
- Been thanked: 1256 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Have you gone soft?
Aren’t you the who used to spray chain lube into a cup and brush it onto the chain?
-
- Posts: 3717
- Joined: Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm
- Has thanked: 260 times
- Been thanked: 1256 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
I have a non-O-ring IWIS chain on a similar-ish 650 and I get best results with steam cylinder oil. The chain has to be kept pretty oily or it will wear out fast.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:14 pm
TBF the Bonnie still has unsealed chain so I'm contemplating what to do on it. Sadly a sealed one is too wide, but theoretically you could go down a size and fit a sealed one, but it means new sprocket sizes too of course and a bit of jiggery pokery to make them sit correctly.
Or I could buy a can of that stuff.
-
- Posts: 2387
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:56 pm
- Has thanked: 324 times
- Been thanked: 2173 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Before applying the chain lube I assume everyone cleans the chain first of any old lube and dirt that’s stuck to it ? I use a cloth and GT85,then a quick spin on the paddock stand and any chain lube I’ve got lying around. It’s usually a clear lube so I can still see the chains natural colour.
-
- Posts: 3717
- Joined: Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm
- Has thanked: 260 times
- Been thanked: 1256 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Why do you assume that?Couchy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:24 pm Before applying the chain lube I assume everyone cleans the chain first of any old lube and dirt that’s stuck to it ? I use a cloth and GT85,then a quick spin on the paddock stand and any chain lube I’ve got lying around. It’s usually a clear lube so I can still see the chains natural colour.
- KungFooBob
- Posts: 14084
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:04 pm
- Location: The content of this post is not AI generated.
- Has thanked: 537 times
- Been thanked: 7475 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Bollocks, you'll have sold any bike long before the chain needs lubing.Couchy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:24 pm Before applying the chain lube I assume everyone cleans the chain first of any old lube and dirt that’s stuck to it ? I use a cloth and GT85,then a quick spin on the paddock stand and any chain lube I’ve got lying around. It’s usually a clear lube so I can still see the chains natural colour.
-
- Posts: 2387
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:56 pm
- Has thanked: 324 times
- Been thanked: 2173 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Surely spraying new lube over dirt is worse than not lubing the chain ?JackyJoll wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:35 pmWhy do you assume that?Couchy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:24 pm Before applying the chain lube I assume everyone cleans the chain first of any old lube and dirt that’s stuck to it ? I use a cloth and GT85,then a quick spin on the paddock stand and any chain lube I’ve got lying around. It’s usually a clear lube so I can still see the chains natural colour.
- mangocrazy
- Posts: 6801
- Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:58 pm
- Has thanked: 2383 times
- Been thanked: 3571 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Greasy dirt is better than dry dirt...Couchy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:39 pmSurely spraying new lube over dirt is worse than not lubing the chain ?JackyJoll wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:35 pmWhy do you assume that?Couchy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:24 pm Before applying the chain lube I assume everyone cleans the chain first of any old lube and dirt that’s stuck to it ? I use a cloth and GT85,then a quick spin on the paddock stand and any chain lube I’ve got lying around. It’s usually a clear lube so I can still see the chains natural colour.
There is no cloud, just somebody else's computer.
-
- Posts: 3717
- Joined: Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm
- Has thanked: 260 times
- Been thanked: 1256 times
-
- Posts: 4094
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:17 pm
- Has thanked: 2634 times
- Been thanked: 1523 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
On recommendation, I tried it years ago on a new chain. Rear wheel stays clean when it's dry and it washes off in about 30 seconds in the rain.KungFooBob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:15 pm I've never used it (I tend to buy what's cheapest and not worry about it), but Wurth Dry Lube is supposed to be King of the Lubes.
https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorc ... _rev/29605
My new chain was squeakier than a squeaky thing and sagging nicely by the end of a day's wet training. I went back to my usual lube which is hypoid.
-
- Posts: 4094
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:17 pm
- Has thanked: 2634 times
- Been thanked: 1523 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
No it's not. The rate of wear between rollers and sprockets isn't really what you're worrying about.
Grit is what wrecks the X rings in double-quick time so dirty chain lube is not good.
The important grease is not what you spray on, but the stuff sealed in at the factory behind the X rings. On a modern chain, the lube simply keeps the X rings from wearing out too fast by keeping them moist and stopping the steel side plates rusting, and you do that best by avoiding getting grit in the lube.
That's why the old fashioned non-fling chain lubes that were so sticky they just turn into grinding paste aren't recommended by chain manufacturers any more.
-
- Posts: 537
- Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:41 am
- Location: Oxfordshire
- Has thanked: 705 times
- Been thanked: 701 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Thanks for all the input, I went with the WD40 chain wax in the end. Chin cleaned, adjusted, rust removed from side plates and wax applied. It certainly looks better than the black grimy stuff I had previously applied and hopefully will work as expected
- Cousin Jack
- Posts: 4422
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:36 pm
- Location: Down in the Duchy
- Has thanked: 2533 times
- Been thanked: 2268 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
I have no idea what Honda use from the factory (dry, non-fling waxy stuff), but IME it is crap. After 500 (mainly wet) miles spread over 4 months my new chain was as rusty as a fox's arse. I have never, ever, had a chain in such condition. I am not expecting a long life from it.The Spin Doctor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:49 am
That's why the old fashioned non-fling chain lubes that were so sticky they just turn into grinding paste aren't recommended by chain manufacturers any more.
Cornish Tart #1
Remember An Gof!
Remember An Gof!
-
- Posts: 537
- Joined: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:41 am
- Location: Oxfordshire
- Has thanked: 705 times
- Been thanked: 701 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
Sounds very similar to my experience with my Speed Twin-very disappointing to see rusty side plates after a couple of monthsCousin Jack wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:06 pm
I have no idea what Honda use from the factory (dry, non-fling waxy stuff), but IME it is crap. After 500 (mainly wet) miles spread over 4 months my new chain was as rusty as a fox's arse. I have never, ever, had a chain in such condition. I am not expecting a long life from it.
- Yorick
- Posts: 16669
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:20 pm
- Location: Paradise
- Has thanked: 10212 times
- Been thanked: 6860 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
On my previous GSXRs I gave the chain a quick squirt about every 500 miles and it rarely stretched. All track use.
This one has about 4,000 miles and have adjusted it twice. And side plates rust like buggery
I heard they changed it, but obviously for the worse. I think it's a bit narrower.
This one has about 4,000 miles and have adjusted it twice. And side plates rust like buggery
I heard they changed it, but obviously for the worse. I think it's a bit narrower.
- Yorick
- Posts: 16669
- Joined: Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:20 pm
- Location: Paradise
- Has thanked: 10212 times
- Been thanked: 6860 times
-
- Posts: 4094
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:17 pm
- Has thanked: 2634 times
- Been thanked: 1523 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
What you see on the outside is - AFAIK - designed to stop the chain rusting in shipment and storage.Cousin Jack wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:06 pm I have no idea what Honda use from the factory (dry, non-fling waxy stuff), but IME it is crap. After 500 (mainly wet) miles spread over 4 months my new chain was as rusty as a fox's arse. I have never, ever, had a chain in such condition. I am not expecting a long life from it.
If you rode 500 miles in the wet, why didn't you do something about it? Don't blame Honda!
-
- Posts: 13870
- Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:57 pm
- Location: Milton Keynes
- Has thanked: 2545 times
- Been thanked: 6203 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
It's nominally supposed to oil itself isn't it, but that system is pretty pants by all accounts.JackyJoll wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:41 pmI have a non-O-ring IWIS chain on a similar-ish 650 and I get best results with steam cylinder oil. The chain has to be kept pretty oily or it will wear out fast.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:14 pm
TBF the Bonnie still has unsealed chain so I'm contemplating what to do on it. Sadly a sealed one is too wide, but theoretically you could go down a size and fit a sealed one, but it means new sprocket sizes too of course and a bit of jiggery pokery to make them sit correctly.
Or I could buy a can of that stuff.
Steam cylinder oil? Is that literally something that goes on a steam engine, cause it sounds highly appropriate if it is. It'd even add to the old timey smells
Couchy and Spin are right BTW. On a sealed chain all the "main" lubrication is supposed to be done internally within sealed rollers. Chain lube isn't really a lube so to speak, it's just anti corrosion and anti seal drying. Dirt and grit will kill a chain way faster than anything else.
P.S. I would guess rusty chains on new bikes (compared to old ones) are down to environmental legislation on coatings and alloys.
-
- Posts: 3717
- Joined: Sun May 03, 2020 10:11 pm
- Has thanked: 260 times
- Been thanked: 1256 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
The various schemes to divert engine or primary trans oil to the rear chain always seem to give it more oil when it needs less.
The steam oil is messy. You’ve been warned!
The steam oil is messy. You’ve been warned!
- mangocrazy
- Posts: 6801
- Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:58 pm
- Has thanked: 2383 times
- Been thanked: 3571 times
Re: Chain lube/wax/paste
I wasn't being entirely serious. I had hoped the smiley might convey that.The Spin Doctor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:49 amNo it's not. The rate of wear between rollers and sprockets isn't really what you're worrying about.
Grit is what wrecks the X rings in double-quick time so dirty chain lube is not good.
The important grease is not what you spray on, but the stuff sealed in at the factory behind the X rings. On a modern chain, the lube simply keeps the X rings from wearing out too fast by keeping them moist and stopping the steel side plates rusting, and you do that best by avoiding getting grit in the lube.
That's why the old fashioned non-fling chain lubes that were so sticky they just turn into grinding paste aren't recommended by chain manufacturers any more.
I agree with most of what you say, but trying to keep road grit off a chain is simply a doctrine of perfection. My answer is a Scottoiler. That keeps the O/X/W rings lubricated and isn't overly sticky.
There is no cloud, just somebody else's computer.