Are Trump protests finished?

[Horse]

So just to be clear about this, the video which has been deleted / censored / banned is still there?

If so, no wonder these conspiracy theories are so well believed.

[irie]

Trump was cleared because no direct evidence that he had done what he was charged with was presented to the Senate. That's probably because there was no direct evidence that Trump had done what he was charged with. DEADPOOL has the evidence but he knew that if he coughed it up he'd be targeted by those that didn't want the evidence presented. Who that might be however remains a mystery.

Obviously I don't which is why I am asking uncomfortable questions rather than making statements. Surely I can't be the only person here who was surprised at the ease with which a crowd managed to barge into a high level government building during the runup to an inauguration?

Your conspiracy theory is that there are many conspiracy theories. You couldn't make it up!

[Saga Lout]

So just to be clear about this, the video which has been deleted / censored / banned is still there?

If so, no wonder these conspiracy theories are so well believed.

Yes, that's right. The video is still there, the search for the video has been censored. If I search for "state farm arena video" on Google it's the fourth hit, if I search for "state farm arena video" on Youtube it's videos of people talking about the video and telling me why I can't believe my lying eyes:
"Fulton County elections director addresses State Farm Arena surveillance video"
"Georgia election official explains State Farm Arena video"
"Fact-checking claims about election in Fulton County"

[DefTrap]

I suppose it's also inconceivable that Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are censoring the news, but they are. Try finding the State Farm Arena video on Youtube, it isn't there any more, just several videos of fact checkers (or should that be "fact checkers"?) telling you that it doesn't show what you think it shows.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... rena+video

I dont buy that as none of the news services plus Twitter, Facebook and Youtube supportyour point of view then there must be a conspiracy.
Who's the ringleader then? Or is this just guessing games?

[Horse]

So just to be clear about this, the video which has been deleted / censored / banned is still there?

If so, no wonder these conspiracy theories are so well believed.

Yes, that's right. The video is still there, the search for the video has been censored. If I search for "state farm arena video" on Google it's the fourth hit, if I search for "state farm arena video" on Youtube

Oddly, sometimes when I search for things, the results will be displayed according to how the algorithms determine. For websites, this might be due to paid advertising, the ratings that the site has (high quality inbound links, good relevant material, etc.). There are people who make living out of knowing this stuff.

But hey, I'm bored, so I'll humour you.

Google

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Youtube

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Well, farkin hell - they're different - it's a Youtube conspiracy against rider training and our very own Spin.

[Saga Lout]

The State Farm Arena video from 3rd December has almost 2 million views. What sort of algorithm demotes that one to invisibility and promotes one with 31,250 views to the top of the list? Why would it do that?

[Mr. Dazzle]

It's based on age and recent views too, otherwise the oldest videos would always stay at the top of the pile wouldn't they?

It's also based on your own viewing history.

FWIW I wouldn't surprised if they did try and bias away from extreme content in all forms. It's just a matter of what you consider to be extreme or fringe.

I'm with Deftrap mostly though....if there is some overarching big hand at work they're remarkably inconsistent.

[Horse]

The State Farm Arena video from 3rd December has almost 2 million views. What sort of algorithm demotes that one to invisibility and promotes one with 31,250 views to the top of the list? Why would it do that?

No idea.

But my screeshots demonstrate that youtube and Google have different algorithms. Perhaps their respective owners have different ideas on censorship and are subject to different levels of lizard coercion?



FWIW there are very simple ways video owners can improve their search appearance.

[Horse]

On this:
https://databox.com/youtube-seo-tips

The first thing it says is

"Google Search and YouTube use different algorithms to rank content.

"That’s important to understand as a marketer trying to get your videos to rank higher on YouTube. YouTube SEO isn’t a simple matter of taking the best practices of Google Search SEO and applying them to your YouTube content."


Include Your Keywords in Key Places.
Say Your Keywords in Your Video.
Create an Eye-Catching Thumbnail.
Use Tags, and Use Them Properly.
Create Long Videos.
Answer Unanswered Questions.

[Horse]

And ...

While it isn’t fully spelled out by Google, here’s what we know about the factors that impact how YouTube ranks a video:

The amount of time users have spent watching your video
If users clicking on your video to watch it after seeing it
If users interact/engage with your video (likes, comments…)
How well your video’s description and meta description matches the user’s query
The user’s previously watched videos (topics and channels)
How many videos the user has watched from your channel

[Saga Lout]

Yes, you're probably right. I search for the state farm arena video so Youtube obviously thinks I want to see people talking about the state farm arena video rather than the state farm arena video that I searched for. that's why it hides the State Farm Arena video way, way down out of view. It makes perfect sense.

For the record, I understand that different algorithms will prioritise different results. Google putting it at number 4, Youtube putting it at number 14 or 24 I would find puzzling but putting it at number 400* makes me think they're actively trying to hide it.


* Or 4,000 or whatever, I didn't scroll down far enough to find it so it might not be there at all.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I dunno which video you're referring to specifically, but if I search "state farm counting video" on YouTube I get three "live" (not actually live any more ) multi hour videos of vote counting and loads of comment vids on the first page.

Clearly I'm in the inner circle and trusted to know these things.

[Horse]

* Or 4,000 or whatever, I didn't scroll down far enough to find it so it might not be there at all.

Find the video's URL from Google search. Where is it hosted?

Add 'youtube' in on your google search, what happens?

It might be there. It's obviously somewhere. Congratulations, you've busted a conspiracy where all of the evidence is removed.

[wheelnut]

I dunno which video you're referring to specifically, but if I search "state farm counting video" on YouTube I get three "live" (not actually live any more ) multi hour videos of vote counting and loads of comment vids on the first page.

Clearly I'm in the inner circle and trusted to know these things.

Isn't strange that all the conspiracy theorists manage to quite easily find the information that's been mysteriously hudden from them.

[Yorick]

If the video of matching shorts and flip flop ensemble goes missing, I'm fucked

[DEADPOOL]

<sigh>

OK well I am somewhat disappointed so many people here seem to cling to such a simplistic version of reality that censorship works merely by deleting stuff. The people who own and run big tech are not fools, Google and YouTube probably home some of the greatest minds currently working in the field of IT.

Sure, huge chunks of YouTube were deleted in a massive cull, most (if not all) to the right of the political spectrum. Some of them of course deserved to go though I don't watch all of them but it also took out some quite large communities/channels which once gone are difficult to reunite. Inexplicably, Google suffered an "outage" at exactly that moment too. Did that ever fathom out?

Yes a few quite well known people were simply silenced too. The president of the USA was saying stuff Twitter didn't like, YouTube follow the ban plus of course Google and all the rest. The press office too was silenced by big tech and mainstream media. If it's not trending on Twitter, it's not news. That is the new mantra for mainstream media who meekly follow the language their masters use. It wasn't a riot or a demonstration, it was an insurrection.

Parler was introduced to restore some semblance of balance, giving a space for left wing dissenters to at least voice an opinion of their own and not merely parrot the newspeak being presented to them as truth. So of course, that was famously silenced too.

That sort of thing is obvious and uncontested (I hope) but the rest of the system of thought control is more subtle. YouTube videos are found via Google. If you already know what you're looking for, it's easy. Despite YouTube accidentally removing subscriptions, you can pretty much remember some of the names you follow. They will appear lower down in search engine rankings but we all know if you're not on page one of a Goggle search, you do not exist.

More subtlety is applied by simply demonetising channels. Say the wrong word and your entire advertising revenue is withheld. And I don't mean that metaphorically, I mean if you use the word "fraud" in your video, a.i. algorithms will assess the content for election discussions, and an entire tranche of your video library will be demonetised (just in case). There is no appeal.

Well how about the "factcheckers"? Seem to be a fair few of them popping up. Well they are merely a front for left wing, democratic nonsense too. I recently gave an example where snopes classified a report as mostly false despite, as they admit in their propaganda, being factually true. This "flag" means search rankings will be reduced (if not zeroed), hit counts (the number of views) reduced in popularity and re-tweets unavailable (for example).

All small negative feedbacks in a to a chaotic system which thrives on sheer volume. Positive feedback in a chaotic system can lead to extraordinary extremes in coverage and publicity. Memes thrive on those figures, "viral" videos are created by such numbers. So a small tweak here and there can dampen down a story before it can develop or gain traction.

The latest development is that FaceBook, Google and YouTube etc. are working in unison to create a self-reporting network. Sounds fair but actually what it means is for example AOC can ask her (considerable) following to flag a tweet and once flagged, those comments are deleted, suppressed, censored whatever. Not automatically but after an intervention by our helpful big tech who will decide what we can hear and what we can not.

Increasingly they will also decide what we can say and the very words we must use to comply. I'll be honest, I never thought I would live to see the day when thoughtcrime would be assessed by the Ministry of Truth.

[Saga Lout]

I dunno which video you're referring to specifically, but if I search "state farm counting video" on YouTube I get three "live" (not actually live any more ) multi hour videos of vote counting and loads of comment vids on the first page.

Clearly I'm in the inner circle and trusted to know these things.

Isn't strange that all the conspiracy theorists manage to quite easily find the information that's been mysteriously hudden from them.

Isn't it strange that if I search Youtube for the State Farm Arena video I get several videos of people talking about "fact checking" the video I want to see but not the video I want to see? Once I find the video and I search for it by its title it's fourth on the list, behind three videos of people talking about the video.

Mr D. The video I want to see is the State Farm Arena video, the one I posted earlier. This one:

[Yorick]

Yaaaaaaaaawn.

[Mr. Dazzle]

If is search for the title of that video I find that video immediately....unsurprisingly. That doesn't really demonstrate much of anything at all.

What are you searching for to find/not find it?

[Saga Lout]

IWhat are you searching for to find/not find it?

Let me see if I can help you out:

Isn't it strange that if I search Youtube for the State Farm Arena video I get several videos of people talking about "fact checking" the video I want to see but not the video I want to see? Once I find the video and I search for it by its title it's fourth on the list, behind three videos of people talking about the video.

Or, in other words, I put "state farm arena video" into Youtube's search box.

I'm sure I could think of different ways to put it but I'm not convinced you want to understand.