Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine approved

[cheb]

Boris has played a blinder, he's added so much value to the NHS he'll be able to sell it to his mates on the cheap for even more money.

[Taipan]

I found the letter for my StepMother to book her covid test. I'm not taking her though as she is incontinent and I don't want her shitting in me Bimmer. I rang the number on the letter and spoke to a nice Lady and she said to ignore the letter and her Doctor will ring you to arrange for it to be done at home. Result.

[wheelnut]

Boris has played a blinder, he's added so much value to the NHS he'll be able to sell it to his mates on the cheap for even more money.

And yet, his intentions seem to be the opposite with his proposed reforms.

[irie]

I am sure, or at least as sure as I can be, that NHS clerical errors have killed people.

Human error is probably unavoidable, even when people try their best, especially when they're under pressure.
I'd counsel anyone to remember this.

I think Boris and the Binmen have done an amazing job with the strategic vaccine plan. It's not perfect but it's a pretty amazing job considering the sheer volume of patients and the mess the virus has created.

Every single one of them coordinated by local NHS services, nothing to do with Boris and certainly not his cronies. Every clinic coordinated typically by nurses, too. Every volunteer contacted and corralled by NHS staff.

I know you now that, I also know you know I was going to say this in response. You had to say what you said because you’re an antagonistic troll, I reply because people are fed up with your nit-picking whinging.

Unfortunately your above post is the opposite side of the 'Potter' coin.

The truth is somewhere in between, isn't it?

While I agree the NHS are doing a good job in rolling the vaccine delivery out, the reason there’s a supply of vaccine to roll out is because of the choices the government made back last spring/summer. Fuck knows they haven’t done everything right, but they did get that right.

This.

[Docca]

I see you for what you are, you know I do and you don't like it one bit.

I doubt it. You’re a failure that can’t see past his own ego spare trying to antagonise others to fill a void they have missing. Can’t work a decent job in the UK? Run with your tail between your legs to the dunes. You’re a whiny troll. A troll with a tan , but still a troll.

And yes, Wheelnut’s post is right and more measured. My point wasn’t about the availability of the vaccine, rather the coordination of the vaccine programme. I didn’t express myself well because I was on a dog walk

[weeksy]

DO i really need to close this again for MMPP and point scoring ? Because i'm getting sick of closing it for the same wankers to come back 3 days later and be complete wankers again. Shall i just close it completely and you can all fuck off somewhere else ?

[Saga Lout]

...
I thought your "toxic, bitter, lonely old man" stuff towards what probably is a lonely old man was lacking in any charm whatsoever.
...

I wrote a lengthy, erudite, closely argued rebuttal of that post, pointing out that I'm not lonely. When I went to post it I found the thread locked.

Oh well, your (i.e. the forum's) loss.

[wheelnut]

I'm due my second part of the vaccine soon (another week).
I had zero side effects, in fact I don't know of anyone that did except my wife who said she had a banging head and sore throat. I'm not convinced it's actually a side effect, it might just have been a headache and sore throat.

Which one did you have? The Pfizer?

[DefTrap]

While I agree the NHS are doing a good job in rolling the vaccine delivery out, the reason there’s a supply of vaccine to roll out is because of the choices the government made back last spring/summer. Fuck knows they haven’t done everything right, but they did get that right.

This is like the "a clock is always right twice a day" quote, or "Hitler wasn't all bad, he was very fond of art".

[wheelnut]

No, the good Chinese one, I can't remember what i's called.

Sinovac? Genuinely surprised at that. I thought it was Pfizer they were using there?

[wheelnut]

This is like the "a clock is always right twice a day" quote, or "Hitler wasn't all bad, he was very fond of art".

I don’t have a massive issue with Boris or his politics. I think his views are fairly centrist and even verging on liberal (for a Tory).

My issue with him is that he lets his political ambitions dictate his priciples rather than the other way round. Then again, perhaps I’m naive and that’s what all politicians do, just not as blatantly.

[Saga Lout]

No, the good Chinese one, I can't remember what i's called.

Sinovac? Genuinely surprised at that. I thought it was Pfizer they were using there?

I'm surprised the Chinese didn't have a vacine ready to go as soon as they released the virus.

Or maybe they did but the rest of the world would have been suspicious if they'd rolled it out immediately.


NB Not entirely tongue in cheek.

[DEADPOOL]

I'm surprised the Chinese didn't have a vacine ready to go as soon as they released the virus.

Or maybe they did but the rest of the world would have been suspicious if they'd rolled it out immediately.


NB Not entirely tongue in cheek.

Not entirely disagreeing with the idea here. World in chaos, America in chaos. They seem to have grabbed HK by the balls with no repercussions. Taiwan next and tomorrow the world...

[Yambo]

We'll be getting a Chines vaccine here as well. Not sure when, mind. Vaccinations are happening certainly but there's very little news or forecasts of when my age group will be scheduled.

[cheb]

We've got the one that needs chilling to minus seventy here, the Western Isles. And doing very well seemingly, about a third of the population done so far AFAIK. Also AFAIK there's no unpaid volunteers being used, the medical side is either current or retired health workers and the mass vaccination car park marshalling is being done by the fire and rescue service and the coastguard.

[Nidge]

We've got the one that needs chilling to minus seventy here, the Western Isles.

So basically room temperature then

[irie]

Good news about AZ vaccine efficacy in all adults including the over 65's.

https://news.sky.com/story/oxford-astra ... n-12214373

Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine recommended for adults of all ages, say scientists advising the World Health Organisation

Dr Alejandro Cravioto, chairman of the WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunisation, said: "In the case of the data coming from clinical trials, we have seen that there was a small participation of people over 65 years of age.

"However, the results of the efficacy estimate for persons up to 65 and older had a wide confidence interval. And therefore we feel that the response of this group cannot be any different to groups that are of a younger age.

"Since we have identified 'people over 65' was one of our priority groups in the prioritisation roadmap... looking at the safety and immunogenicity data... we recommend for the vaccine to be used in people 18 years and above, without an upper age limit.

"That means people over 65 years of age should be given the vaccination."

He also backed the approach taken by the UK, saying that eight to 12 weeks between the first and second doses was best, as it provided a "much better immune response".

It seems that 11 EU countries disagree with both the EMA and the WHO. Perhaps because EU supplies are restricted?

https://www.cityam.com/why-have-almost- ... a-vaccine/

Why have almost half EU countries restricted use of the Astrazeneca vaccine?

11 out of 27 EU member states have departed from official advice from the bloc’s medicines regulator and issued restrictions on the Astrazeneca vaccine.

Those countries are Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Belgium, Greece, Denmark, The Netherlands, Sweden, Poland and Austria. Norway, which is not in the EU, has blocked its use in over-65s, while Switzerland, which is also not an EU member state, has declined to approve the jab altogether.

Most have restricted use of the Astrazeneca vaccine in patients under the age of 65, but Italy, Belgium and Spain have limited it to under-55s.

[Mussels]

Most of those 11 countries have already had their fingers burnt by following EU advice on vaccines, I'm not surprised they are willing to do their own thing. If they have 2 types of vaccine and one is more effective for pensioners then why not give that one to pensioners, the Pfizer one also looks more effective against the SA variant so again it's probably better that pensioners get it.
The UK is probably too far down the road for that distinction so it may be we go back and revaccinate people later on which is what the government is hinting at anyway.

[DEADPOOL]

Sounds like sour grapes bordering on industrial sabotage to me. Such a small group and "no data" for over 65s with a very small reduction in the protection against mild symptoms in the younger age group. No statistical effect on severe infection because there weren't any in this small sample.

If I am reading that right, in a very small sample set the AZ vaccine is marginally less effective on younger subjects at stopping mild symptoms occurring for one specific mutation (S.A.variant). A rather slim excuse to criticise a multimillion pound venture, just because the EU weren't able to queue jump.

Has there been a similar test made with other "competing" vaccines? I smell a rat.

[irie]

... I'm not surprised they are willing to do their own thing.

Most of them are not "doing their own thing", they have no alternative vaccines.

I smell a rat.

Smells like demand management.