Are Trump protests finished?

[Mr. Dazzle]

He doesn't do graciousness in defeat.

You'd think he'd have got the hang of it now with all the practice

He's basically Homer Simpson isn't he?

[DEADPOOL]

Interesting that no-one chooses to respond to the points I am making.

"Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast. That’s more votes than any other presidential candidate has ever won (with the exception of Biden.)"

Just that fact alone is enough to raise suspicion surely. How on earth does a half dead corrupt politician like Biden get an unheard of number of votes when he didn't even bother to campaign? The you look at the actual process and that's where we must agree to disagree because I see so much evidence of bias, unfair media exposure and downright fraud I literally cannot understand why so many people can't.

[Kneerly Down]

How on earth does a half dead corrupt politician like Biden get an unheard of number of votes when he didn't even bother to campaign?

If Biden didn't campaign, how did he end up spending over $1.6 billion* on the campaign?


*$600m more than Trump
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00001669

[Horse]

Interesting that no-one chooses to respond to the points I am making.

"Trump won

I literally cannot understand

Edited down to key points.

[DEADPOOL]

If Biden didn't campaign, how did he end up spending over $1.6 billion* on the campaign?
*$600m more than Trump
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presid ... =N00001669

You are referring to the Biden for president campaign run by the mainstream media, big tech and of course the election team. Creepy Joe spent most of his time in his basement, not on the campaign trail. He was literally told, way before the actual election, not to bother "we've got this". They also had to make sure he reads off the autocue and doesn't take questions (no change there then).

One good example of where the money went: FaceBook bunged the dems $300 million so they could install postal ballot boxes in all the Dem controlled areas (and buy some dominion counting machines). Not illegal per se but quite heavily biased whereas the Dominion system is of course favoured by all sensible dictatorships.

All you have to do is run around all the flats and multiple occupancy areas and gather as many anonymous postal votes as you can, fill them in for Biden. No one wll be any the wiser. YouTube vids of that "ballot harvesting" strategy have been deleted, the channels cancelled and "nothing to see here"....

[Yorick]

Interesting that no-one chooses to respond to the points I am making.

Because nobody gives a shit and it's not important.

It doesn't matter how hard you keep banging the drum.

[moth]

The supporters of only one US political party engaged in an attempt to overthrow the legally elected government at the behest of the outgoing PotUS, and it wasn't the Democrats.

You're so wound up looking for Far Left conspiracies that you're ignoring the Right Wing extremist groups that are growing exponentially in the Land of the Free.

How about addressing that?

Aryan Nation
Oath Takers
Proud Boys (how ghey is that FFS?)
The Order.
Atomwaffen

[Yambo]

Interesting that no-one chooses to respond to the points I am making.

"Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast. That’s more votes than any other presidential candidate has ever won but not as many as his opponent got.

It seems to me that Trump made such a good/bad job of the presidency that voters who normally couldn't be bothered to vote (yes, there are people like that) decided it was time they did so.

Now I can't and won't say the better man won because personally I think that neither of them were worthy of the job of president, just as when Trump won back in 2016 I could believe that out of a country of 320 million people it came down to a choice between Trump and that Clinton woman.

US politics is so shamefully rotten that I have to repeat myself - the people who should be running for president of the USA are running the other way. I'm sure there are some good people over there who would make great presidents and be good for the US but the two main political parties are stuck in a big cesspit of their own making. They're rotten, they stink and they really need to clean up their acts.

[DEADPOOL]

It seems to me that Trump made such a good/bad job of the presidency that voters who normally couldn't be bothered to vote (yes, there are people like that) decided it was time they did so.

Now I can't and won't say the better man won because personally I think that neither of them were worthy of the job of president, just as when Trump won back in 2016 I could believe that out of a country of 320 million people it came down to a choice between Trump and that Clinton woman.

US politics is so shamefully rotten that I have to repeat myself - the people who should be running for president of the USA are running the other way. I'm sure there are some good people over there who would make great presidents and be good for the US but the two main political parties are stuck in a big cesspit of their own making. They're rotten, they stink and they really need to clean up their acts.

Yea, can't disagree, though I would suggest a far higher number of those who couldn't be bothered to vote have no idea that they actually did.

But more importantly, the best thing about Trump was he was a terrible politician, arguably not even a real politician. He is probably morally bankrupt and as corrupt as most businessmen. But he actually didn't do such a bad job. I seem to recall he's not even a "real" Republican but decided to play that role as the better bet for getting voted in.

OTOH Biden is infinitely worse and is quite likely going to end up bankrupting America. I don't see him lasting 6 months before Parkinsons' gets the better of him and he's put out to pasture. He would struggle to have a conversation without a teleprompter or a live feed in his earpiece telling him what to say. Kamala Harris is probably going to make things worse!

Anyhow, the main thrust of my argument is not about Trump, Biden or democrat vs. Republican, it's the nature of the democratic process itself and the reporting of it. Without a solid set of rules with robustly enforced checks and balances, especially when it comes to media bias and the extreme power of big tech, it is democracy in name only.

[Skub]

I always viewed the US as a plutocracy rather than a democracy. The common bods are given the choice of a few chosen rich folk,then they can pretend to vote for them.

[Slenver]

How on earth does a half dead corrupt politician like Biden get an unheard of number of votes when he didn't even bother to campaign?

Easy. Just by not being a corrupt, egomaniacal, incompetent, divisive narcissist. It's like that old saying about not needing to outrun a chasing crocodile, just the other guy you're with.

I see so much evidence of bias, unfair media exposure

You're right. Fox News is a disgrace.

[wheelnut]

Interesting that no-one chooses to respond to the points I am making.

When you make a point worth responding to people will respond.

"Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast. That’s more votes than any other presidential candidate has ever won (with the exception of Biden.)"

You're right, he was beaten by Biden. That's what happens in elections.

Just that fact alone is enough to raise suspicion surely. How on earth does a half dead corrupt politician like Biden get an unheard of number of votes when he didn't even bother to campaign? The you look at the actual process and that's where we must agree to disagree because I see so much evidence of bias, unfair media exposure and downright fraud I literally cannot understand why so many people can't.

It doesn't show good Biden is, it shows how bad Trump was. But when it comes down to it you'll believe the stories that fit your mindset and they will be 'facts' in your own mind, regardless of any evidence.

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

[DEADPOOL]

@Skub, @Slenver , @wheelnut, I won't quote everything but I don't disagree with everything you all say either.

US politics has become somewhat of a plutocracy but I think that's true of most democratic systems. It is still the least worst option. Trump was a breath of fresh air simply by being so different. I thought it was hilarious that such a tycoon could beat a seasoned pro like Hilary. She didn't see the funny side of it and has been spreading disinformation for years.

Please tell me we can agree this "Russian collusion" nonsense was obviously a complete fabrication...

Fox news is just as bad as all the other mainstream media outlets except of course it is one of the very few who are not extreme left wing. There must be a balance, without evil, how can there be any good?

Whether Biden is "less dreadful" than Trump remains to be seen. It's not going well for America yet. Some of his early diktats are beginning to develop a storm of protest.

Then the final comment about belief, facts and evidence. I appreciate it is meant to be an insult but it does raise an interesting point. I generally believe nothing the media tells me. But there are times when a video (full version not the media edit) demands some explanation. I can see the conspiracy theories for what they are and I accept the odd dead voters is just one of those things, probably statistically insignificant but there were a number of odd occurrences which have never been explained away.

So I might not "believe" the stories, I might not even declare an event as a "fact" but from these I may form my own opinion based on the overwhelming preponderance of evidence rather than meekly accept the mainstream media view.

[DefTrap]

I sort of agree with Yambo (heavens!) that the presidential circus in the US is just one dreadfully iffy set of candidates after another*. There's really no 'choice' at all, and even if there was the us-against-them polarisation of republican v democrat means that it's impossible for voices to be truly heard. Trump is an example of a really bad choice though, Biden I think realistically less so (but only because trump was so dreadful). I'm sure there was some electoral cheating, I think there probably often is - people can be shameless and are absolutely convinced in their view of right.

*The one exception being Obama.

[Saga Lout]

Some of you may have seen the article in Time Magazine. If it had appeared in some right wing rag you would have dismissed it as tin foil hattery.

"They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it."

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

I've read it. It sounds like rigging to me but what do I know?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Which aspects of that make you think it was being rigged?

It reads to me as if they went to a great deal of effort to get people to vote and make it fair?

[Cousin Jack]

More de-rigging than rigging.

US elections seem strange and rather less than democratic to me. All they seem to have done is to encourage more people to vote, and to ensure that those votes actually counted. They also seem to have encouraged people not to mount anti-demonstrations that would have led to violence.

Is that rigging? If so perhaps we need more of it.

[DEADPOOL]

"Facts are less important than moral truths".

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

[OBO]

A list of Trumps achievements taken from their gov website before Sniffy Biden quickly deleted it...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/0 ... mile-long/

[Mr. Dazzle]

before Sniffy Biden quickly deleted it...

They moved it to the archives....'cause Trump ain't president any more and hence anything/everything he said is now a matter of historical record and not current policy.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/tr ... lishments/

They do that with all Presidents AFAIK.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/