irie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:06 am
The inevitable vaccine supply war kicks off. It's all a conspiracy by the dastardly Anglo-Saxons,
Couple it with Boris crowing about being the first to roll out the programme...
Can't win can he. Everyone tells him he's doing a shit job. So he does a good one and people say he's crowing about it,
LOL.
Boris could singlehandedly cure the world of covid, solve poverty and the “climate crisis” - and those that hate him would still say “yeabut he LIED when he was columnist, AND AND he CHEATED on his wife” etc etc
The anti-Brexit crew were slating him for not joining the EU vaccine program - we would be left behind etc etc, now the EU has been shown up for what it is, unable to react swiftly to an ever changing landscape, Boris is of course in the wrong for being miles ahead.
Couple it with Boris crowing about being the first to roll out the programme...
Can't win can he. Everyone tells him he's doing a shit job. So he does a good one and people say he's crowing about it,
LOL.
Boris could singlehandedly cure the world of covid, solve poverty and the “climate crisis” - and those that hate him would still say “yeabut he LIED when he was columnist, AND AND he CHEATED on his wife” etc etc
The anti-Brexit crew were slating him for not joining the EU vaccine program - we would be left behind etc etc, now the EU has been shown up for what it is, unable to react swiftly to an ever changing landscape, Boris is of course in the wrong for being miles ahead.
I find it bizarre the world of politics i really do. I don't support any party as you may have noticed, but i can't understand the hatred and derision when people do things either right or wrong. Especially at this time when every decision made has massive consequences to the whole of the UK. There's no good answers here as we've established, but the simple fact is, when it comes to vaccination, the UK are flying...
And England are doing better than Scotland. That doesn't get pointed out as often as it would if it was the other way about.
And the Dutch are rioting and burnt down a vaccination centre. Something their PM described as 'criminal'. He catches on quick that chap.
And the Italian PM has just resigned too.
Marvel at the power of BORIS to cause all these things. England is still a prime mover and shkler in the world.
In other news the healthboard up here had to get the Coastguard to help move some boxen from one island to another one because the HB couldn't do it in a timely manner.
Can't win can he. Everyone tells him he's doing a shit job. So he does a good one and people say he's crowing about it,
LOL.
He had fuck all to do with researching and producing the vaccine, but you'll give him credit for it LOL - his job should be leadership and that's been a shitshow.
I give 'him' (them, whoever) credit for getting the supply in place, distribution in place etc. I'm not saying he sat there and broke down the chemical structure, where on earth did you make that up from ?
Your comment that he's done a good one would tend to indicate it.
It was the context of Iris's comment to which I responded. Boris' delivery played to the idea of exceptionalism, against a backdrop of having previously been hamstrung by forriners, and now there is the suggestion (only) that vaccine supplies have been diverted. The optics aren't great.
'crowing': express great pride or triumph, especially in a tone of gloating satisfaction.
Seriously, you can't say a bad word about Boris in here
Boris is a shit show in many ways, but he has seen the UK through to being miles ahead. Two reasons.
1) Allowed the regulators to start test B before test A has completed. A risk of wasting money if test A failed - the benefit of licencing for use fast if test A passed.
2) By not joining the EU vaccine program - allowing the UK to negotiate directly with the manufacturers. Probably cost a few quid extra. Meh... who cares. The sums COVID has and is costing are astronomical.
Of course, some, owing to nothing but politics are unable to praise when it's due.
If the EU do go ahead with the extra red tape, and potential block, on export of vaccines from the EU, why would a global vaccine producer want to base themselves there?
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:56 am
Of course, some, owing to nothing but politics are unable to praise when it's due.
Estelle Morris
A rare politician that most have probably never heard of.
She became a minister in the Department for Education and Employment in 1997 and was promoted to Secretary of State for Education and Skills in 2001.
She suddenly resigned her post in October 2002, explaining that she did not feel up to the job. She had made a commitment to the then Conservative Shadow Education Secretary, David Willetts to resign if the literacy and numeracy targets were not met.
There's probably much more to it, but it's rare you hear of a resignation following a promise to the opposition!
irie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:06 am
The inevitable vaccine supply war kicks off. It's all a conspiracy by the dastardly Anglo-Saxons,
Couple it with Boris crowing about being the first to roll out the programme...
Can't win can he. Everyone tells him he's doing a shit job. So he does a good one and people say he's crowing about it,
LOL.
IIRC slowsider lives in Tipperary so his dissing of Boris Johnson is just sour grapes about the fact that the UK vaccination rate is ~10.4% which is over 3 times higher than the Irish vaccination rate of ~2.9%
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Couple it with Boris crowing about being the first to roll out the programme...
Can't win can he. Everyone tells him he's doing a shit job. So he does a good one and people say he's crowing about it,
LOL.
IIRC slowsider lives in Tipperary so his dissing of Boris Johnson is just sour grapes about the fact that the UK vaccination rate is ~10.4% which is over 3 times higher than the Irish vaccination rate of ~2.9%
slowsider wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:26 am
Not like you to miss the point so spectacularly
What is the point then? Surely you're not going back to whigs and tories and generations of hate?
I get it (well maybe sort of from a distance but I've never lived it), I'd be pissed off too, in fact I'm English and I'd stop the Orange marches and all that bollocks in an instant - but you seem intelligent enough to look past it and no just hang onto dogma.
My politics are probably pretty well aligned to Blairs Labour, and far away from Corbyns Labour, but if Corbyn did something good I'd give him some praise, whereas it feels like if Boris cured cancer you'd still call him a twat.
Just go back to my post, not all the baggage you've brought along. Iris made some crack about a 'vaccine supply war", underlying which is a UK supplier; i noted it was coincident with the UK PM making much of the UKs progress in vaccinations, part of his presentation being to please the ERG and others by vaunting the benefits of taking back control. Hardly Boris bashing, more illustrating why the EU might put 2 and 2 together and make 5.
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:56 am
Boris is a shit show in many ways, but he has seen the UK through to being miles ahead. Two reasons.
1) Allowed the regulators to start test B before test A has completed. A risk of wasting money if test A failed - the benefit of licencing for use fast if test A passed.
2) By not joining the EU vaccine program - allowing the UK to negotiate directly with the manufacturers. Probably cost a few quid extra. Meh... who cares. The sums COVID has and is costing are astronomical.
Of course, some, owing to nothing but politics are unable to praise when it's due.
When its due...
1. approvals are by MHRA, how does Boris influence their decision?
2. EU regulations permit member states to issue temporary approval in an emergency.
The MHRA acted in line with EU regulations, and any other EU country could have done the same
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:56 am
Boris is a shit show in many ways, but he has seen the UK through to being miles ahead. Two reasons.
1) Allowed the regulators to start test B before test A has completed. A risk of wasting money if test A failed - the benefit of licencing for use fast if test A passed.
2) By not joining the EU vaccine program - allowing the UK to negotiate directly with the manufacturers. Probably cost a few quid extra. Meh... who cares. The sums COVID has and is costing are astronomical.
Of course, some, owing to nothing but politics are unable to praise when it's due.
When its due...
1. approvals are by MHRA, how does Boris influence their decision?
2. EU regulations permit member states to issue temporary approval in an emergency.
The MHRA acted in line with EU regulations, and any other EU country could have done the same
1) The government approved the concurrent testing - risk cost to government - benefit faster approval.
2) Yep they could have - totally irrelevant to the points I made.
3) You avoided the point about being able to procure outside of the EU vaccination program - which I suspect was on purpose as it doesn't fit with your bias.
The EU now throwing it’s toys out of the pram over vaccine supplies. The EU vaccine program crumbles further. Thank fuck Boris told them “thanks but no thanks”
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:08 pm
1) The government approved the concurrent testing - risk cost to government - benefit faster approval. .
Typically as a pharma you're trying to get concurrent approval from the various regulators because it's easier, and yes potentially less costly.
Anyone running drugs trials in the UK is going to be following UK law, EMA and FDA regs anyway if they have any sense.
It's simply a matter of timing.
Wreckless Rat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:08 pm
1) The government approved the concurrent testing - risk cost to government - benefit faster approval. .
Typically as a pharma you're trying to get concurrent approval from the various regulators because it's easier, and yes potentially less costly.
Anyone running drugs trials in the UK is going to be following UK law, EMA and FDA regs anyway if they have any sense.
It's simply a matter of timing.
I bet the yanks do it all the time.
That’s why the UK ended up with approval first...and the EU was 3months behind placing its orders... oh... wait...
The difference was the not waiting for test A to get sign off before moving to test B... and Boris rolled the dice, placed the orders, because he could, not being part of the EU vaccine program. This gave the UK a massive head start. As slow pointed out earlier, any other government could have used emergency approval, but they couldn’t as part of the EU vaccine program to place orders.
Now they have the shit show that’s going on in the EU, with the EU threatening to withhold exports. If that was Boris threatening to withhold exports of vaccine orders, this place would have erupted in claims of murderer..,
