Are Trump protests finished?

[cheb]

Everyone's got it in for big tech having the power to censor people on a whim without being held responsible. The claim they hid behind that they are platforms and not publishers has been blown out of the water by them making editorial descisions on what gets posted.

Also the Cambridge Analytics tie-in helping Trump in 2016, a bit of revenge?

And another bit of actions and consequences.

Dominion Voting Systems filed a defamation lawsuit on Monday against Rudolph W. Giuliani, the lawyer for Donald J. Trump and former mayor of New York City who played a key role in the former president’s monthslong effort to subvert the 2020 election.

The 107-page lawsuit, filed in the Federal District Court in Washington, accuses Mr. Giuliani of carrying out “a viral disinformation campaign about Dominion” made up of “demonstrably false” allegations, in part to enrich himself through legal fees and his podcast.

The suit seeks damages of more than $1.3 billion and is based on more than 50 statements Mr. Giuliani made at legislative hearings, on Twitter, on his podcast and in the conservative news media, where he spun a fictitious narrative of a plot by one of the biggest voting machine manufacturers in the country to flip votes to President Biden.

This might be interesting to watch. There's been claims of Facebook buying machines for the state to use, and the machines adjusting the vote count.

The former seems on the face of it to me to be a terrible idea with FB's business model being based on a complete disregard for privacy. The latter just seems wrong, either a valid vote went to one of the candidates or the other, it's binary like that. Invalid votes should be checked by a human or disregarded. That bit about votes cast for Trump going down part way through is also a puzzle to me.

Our counting system isn't perfect by any stretch but IMO it would take so much effort to rig it as to be not worth the effort. There was a bit of a fuss about postal votes back in Blair's day too. AIRI, patriarchs voting for the whole family.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Mark Zuckerberg donated $350 million to the organisation that runs elections to help with Covid prep...that's quite a long way from "Facebook bought voting machines".

[Potter]

Electronic machines being rigged?
Could it happen? If it was very improbable casinos wouldn’t spend millions of dollars trying to stop people from doing it.

I’m not saying anything was rigged but it’s entirely possible and definitely achievable especially if the people around them have some interest in doing so or being happy about it - or even just looking the other way because the result suits. FWIW I’d be very surprised if people in the Trump camp hadn’t at least thought about doing it themselves.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Electronic machines being rigged?
Could it happen? If it was very improbable casinos wouldn’t spend millions of dollars trying to stop people from doing it.

Yeah, absolutely. Banks too.

My point is more that people will go on about 'what big tech wants you to believe' or 'that's just what the media tells you' without bothering to do even the most basic level of fact checking themselves.

If 'big tech' says it; You're being a sheep.
If some random blog on the internet says it; Truth!

[Saga Lout]

Trump had fucked America with his idiocy. It’s never been so divided since the civil war. He even encouraged people to storm the capitol ffs.

Do you think they misunderstood when he used the word "peacefully"? Maybe they remembered the summer's "mostly peaceful" protests and interpreted it accordingly.

I know you won’t be convinced of it as it’s what you believe and we all know how strong beliefs can be no matter how illogical, but trump hasn’t done the USA any favours. At all.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Saga Lout]

Electronic machines being rigged?
Could it happen? If it was very improbable casinos wouldn’t spend millions of dollars trying to stop people from doing it.

I'm still trying to work out the legitimate purpose of the voting machines.
Why is there a need to put a machine between the voter and his vote? It just introduces an extra opportunity for fraud.

[Yambo]

I'm still trying to work out the legitimate purpose of the voting machines.
Why is there a need to put a machine between the voter and his vote? It just introduces an extra opportunity for fraud.

All change is good. Change to a more technical method is even betterer.

Personally, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

[Potter]

Do you think they misunderstood when he used the word "peacefully"? Maybe they remembered the summer's "mostly peaceful" protests and interpreted it accordingly.

Exactly, those dickheads (armed to the teeth dickheads btw) that took over Seattle set the scene, I'm frankly amazed that the Capitol Hill thing wasn't a complete bloodbath because it's rare for people to take the initiative from someone else for a riot but go in more softly.

[slowsider]

Electronic machines being rigged?
Could it happen? If it was very improbable casinos wouldn’t spend millions of dollars trying to stop people from doing it.

I'm still trying to work out the legitimate purpose of the voting machines.
Why is there a need to put a machine between the voter and his vote? It just introduces an extra opportunity for fraud.

Would it help if you thought of them as vote counting machines? Supposedly less susceptible to fraud than human tellers. :dunno:

[Mr. Dazzle]

I'm still trying to work out the legitimate purpose of the voting machines.

Same reason governments do most things. it's quicker and cheaper.

Why do you trust a manual ballot counter to count accurately BTW?

[Saga Lout]

Electronic machines being rigged?
Could it happen? If it was very improbable casinos wouldn’t spend millions of dollars trying to stop people from doing it.

I'm still trying to work out the legitimate purpose of the voting machines.
Why is there a need to put a machine between the voter and his vote? It just introduces an extra opportunity for fraud.

Would it help if you thought of them as vote counting machines? Supposedly less susceptible to fraud than human tellers. :dunno:

They could be less susceptible to fraud. If they were programmed that way.

Some questions spring to mind:
How much do you trust the programmers?
How much do you trust the manufacturers?
How much do you trust the operators?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Some questions spring to mind:
How much do you trust the programmers?
How much do you trust the manufacturers?
How much do you trust the operators?

All of that applies equally to a paper voting system though, it's not a question of electronic/paper it's just a question of how much you trust the election organisers.

[slowsider]

I'm still trying to work out the legitimate purpose of the voting machines.
Why is there a need to put a machine between the voter and his vote? It just introduces an extra opportunity for fraud.

Would it help if you thought of them as vote counting machines? Supposedly less susceptible to fraud than human tellers. :dunno:

They could be less susceptible to fraud. If they were programmed that way.

Some questions spring to mind:
How much do you trust the programmers?
How much do you trust the manufacturers?
How much do you trust the operators?

How much do you trust the voters?

Democracy huh?

[DEADPOOL]

Yeah, absolutely. Banks too.

My point is more that people will go on about 'what big tech wants you to believe' or 'that's just what the media tells you' without bothering to do even the most basic level of fact checking themselves.

If 'big tech' says it; You're being a sheep.
If some random blog on the internet says it; Truth!

Sometimes cognitive dissonance simply won't let people see what's right in front of them, especially if they are constantly being reassured by huge swathes of the popular press, mainstream media or social networking.

The problem with the last election was the apparent huge increase in absentee ballots and mail in voting which were overwhelmingly Democrat only "votes". Republicans were concerned that this would allow fraud at an industrial level due to ballot harvesting and illegal or unsubstantiated or sometimes downright dead votes to count.

"Oh my god, here we go" I hear you say. Well, why then is "House Resolution Number 1" determined to stamp out this "illegal" activity - by making it legal!

What? Nonsense, They wouldn't dare! They do dare. Look at HR1.

https://democracyreform-sarbanes.house. ... _FINAL.pdf

“A State may not require an individual to provide any form of identification as a condition of obtaining an absentee ballot.”

“…State may not require notarisation or witness signature or other formal authentication (other than voter attestation)”

For the people act 2021. To expand Americans' access to the ballot box. ...for the purpose of fortifying our democracy. I find it interesting that they can tell you one thing to your face while literally doing another. All States will be required by law to accept "no identification" and "no authentication", the very thing that kicked off this voter fraud allegation

If this bill is passed (and the democrats now control the Senate), it will be virtually impossible to vote them out.

[DEADPOOL]

Mark Zuckerberg donated $350 million to the organisation that runs elections to help with Covid prep...that's quite a long way from "Facebook bought voting machines".

My understanding is that the "donation" was offered with the condition the State used the money to conduct the counting process in the specified manner we all saw on various YouTube sites (before they were all removed). That includes the purchase of particular machines (Dominion) and the hiring of particular staff (Democrat).

[DEADPOOL]

Same reason governments do most things. it's quicker and cheaper.

Why do you trust a manual ballot counter to count accurately BTW?

In the constitution, each counting station must have bi-partisan observation. It is a key element of the counting process. At all times a Democrat and Republican observer must be present to ensure the counting process is fair and accurate.

Clearly, that element of the process was rather obviously denied. Blocked up windows, observers not allowed anywhere near the counting machines, late night sessions etc.

[Mr. Dazzle]

All I'm gonna say is that you might want to try reading that document you linked and follow the context around the selected quotes you made.

Similarly, I saw lots of these YouTube videos that purport to show 'something' back in November and I saw lots of those graphs which show 'anomalies'. In the former case you're selectively looking at 3s of footage out of context and in the latter the results weren't even anomalous - there were plenty of Trump only vote jumps etc. too.

I'm not gonna get into a massive multi quote reply string though.

[Potter]

Vote harvesting is simply a fact, especially in ethnic communities.
I remember our company shop steward getting all the apprentices together and telling how to fill out ballot cards in, anyone not voting the right way would be in for a bashing.

I've been intimidated a few times by unions to side with them on left-wing policy, but never from the right wing.

[Mr. Dazzle]

That's why elections are secret and vote counting is carried out behind semi-closed doors with only controlled observers. Indeed, it's why counting places had their windows covered to hide them from the baying mob outside.

For all the claims of 'republicans not allowed in' no-one has come forward with any hard evidence that was the case, the few times it's actually come to court the opposite has been proven true.

[DEADPOOL]

That's why elections are secret and vote counting is carried out behind semi-closed doors with only controlled observers. Indeed, it's why counting places had their windows covered to hide them from the baying mob outside.

For all the claims of 'republicans not allowed in' no-one has come forward with any hard evidence that was the case, the few times it's actually come to court the opposite has been proven true.

Interesting use of the phrase "baying mob" to describe the sort of person who would give up their time to monitor an election process. Clutching at straws to justify covering up windows. I have never been happy with any explanation for that.

To suggest "no evidence" is entirely incorrect. There is a massive catalogue of sworn testimony from those present and despite the widely held view that "it has been tested in court" it has not. These allegations have never been tried in any court. They courts refused to hear them on the grounds of no "standing".

Anyhow, should be super easy for you to throw up a link yourself. Some evidence of a baying mob or some links to the relevant court case.

Or are you simply accepting those things as true because that is the media spin?