Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine approved

[ZRX61]

I've been wondering what are the odds on Harris becoming president before the year's out.

Especially after Pelosi started working on the method of removing *a future President* (her words) if they were deemed to be a bit doolally. I wouldn't be surprised to see Biden carted off to the funny farm by Easter. He's already had two strokes or aneurysms.

[ZRX61]

Do you think that's where the UK went wrong?

Not too familiar with all the goings on over there, but there's no doubt that Calizuela has made a complete arse of it all.
How are the UK numbers & methods comparing with other European countries?

[ZRX61]

Some Govt or CDC spokesmouth just came on the telly & said "Second doses will be reserved for everyone who got a first dose".. So that basically shot Bidens plan in the foot.

[wheelnut]

Some Govt or CDC spokesmouth just came on the telly & said "Second doses will be reserved for everyone who got a first dose".. So that basically shot Bidens plan in the foot.

You always seem to have lots of criticisms, but very few suggestions or answers,

[Horse]

Do you think that's where the UK went wrong?

Not too familiar with all the goings on over there, but there's no doubt that Calizuela has made a complete arse of it all.
How are the UK numbers & methods comparing with other European countries?

Difficult to compare absolute numbers due to varying definitions. That said, we're almost at 70,000 covid-related deaths so far, but many people have been criticising lockdowns as too stringent.

[ZRX61]

Some Govt or CDC spokesmouth just came on the telly & said "Second doses will be reserved for everyone who got a first dose".. So that basically shot Bidens plan in the foot.

You always seem to have lots of criticisms, but very few suggestions or answers,

well the CDC etc called for everyone to have two doses, so we already had the answer before Quid Pro Joe tried to put the kybosh on it.

[irie]

Some Govt or CDC spokesmouth just came on the telly & said "Second doses will be reserved for everyone who got a first dose".. So that basically shot Bidens plan in the foot.

You always seem to have lots of criticisms, but very few suggestions or answers,

ZRX61 is a professional glass half empty-er.

[ZRX61]

Difficult to compare absolute numbers due to varying definitions. That said, we're almost at 70,000 covid-related deaths so far, but many people have been criticising lockdowns as too stringent.

Calizuela is still refusing to report State recovery numbers & Mayor Garshitti is doing the same with LA County recovery numbers. They're still counting ALL cases as current cases which is just plain bullshit. They do provide enough info to figure it out yourself if you can operate a calculator though.
Over Chrimble/NY the number of actual current cases in the county dropped from 125,000 to 105,000, but all the media was spouting was "The county now has over 500,000 cases"
This week we're being fed "Ten people in the County are being infected every minute & a person dies every 8 minutes". They're also more than a bit reticent to post the break down of who exactly is dying by age.
At this point LA & Calizuela media is basically Volkischer Beobachter.

[ZRX61]

ZRX61 is a professional glass half empty-er.

The glass is too big...

[wheelnut]

well the CDC etc called for everyone to have two doses, so we already had the answer before Quid Pro Joe tried to put the kybosh on it.

They will get two doses, just further apart. They aren’t the only country to do this. The thinking is that it’s better to have 200 million covered to 70% than 100 million covered to 90%.

Are they wrong?

[JamJar]

well the CDC etc called for everyone to have two doses, so we already had the answer before Quid Pro Joe tried to put the kybosh on it.

They will get two doses, just further apart. They aren’t the only country to do this. The thinking is that it’s better to have 200 million covered to 70% than 100 million covered to 90%.

Are they wrong?

I suspect that if a Democrat does it, it is wrong

[Horse]

I suspect that if a Democrat does it, it is wrong

As in 'democratically elected'?

[ZRX61]

well the CDC etc called for everyone to have two doses, so we already had the answer before Quid Pro Joe tried to put the kybosh on it.

They will get two doses, just further apart. They aren’t the only country to do this. The thinking is that it’s better to have 200 million covered to 70% than 100 million covered to 90%.

Are they wrong?

I suspect that if a Democrat does it, it is wrong

It's fairly simple:
You either take what the CDC say at face value, or you decide that the vaccination process needs to be politicized.
We had months of the Democrats stating that no one should take a vaccine based on what Trump says, go with science & listen to the CDC. Now they're saying "Listen to Biden"

[wheelnut]

It's fairly simple:
You either take what the CDC say at face value, or you decide that the vaccination process needs to be politicized.
We had months of the Democrats stating that no one should take a vaccine based on what Trump says, go with science & listen to the CDC. Now they're saying "Listen to Biden"

It’s not fairly simple, it’s a fast-moving complex situation and as such needs fast moving solutions that aren’t always set in stone. That’s what science does, it moves and changes depending on the evidence. Most countries are following the same pattern so it’s not a ‘Biden’ thing.

And it’s only you that’s politicising it.

[ZRX61]

It’s not fairly simple, it’s a fast-moving complex situation and as such needs fast moving solutions that aren’t always set in stone. That’s what science does, it moves and changes depending on the evidence. Most countries are following the same pattern so it’s not a ‘Biden’ thing.

And it’s only you that’s politicising it.

No it isn't. We have top infectious disease experts with LA County stating that "we wont release recovery numbers because the Republicans will politicize it".. so the decided to politicize it to prevent the Republicans from politicizing it... I'd assume the State is doing the exact same thing.

If we're going with "it’s a fast-moving complex situation and as such needs fast moving solutions that aren’t always set in stone. That’s what science does, it moves and changes depending on the evidence. Most countries are following the same pattern so it’s not a ‘Biden’ thing."
Then why the fuck did the CDC (yanno, them science people) just state "we're going to hold back enough vaccines to ensure all those who got the first dose, get the second one"?
You can't have "Listen to the CDC, not Trump" & then go along with "Listen to Biden, not the CDC"

[Wreckless Rat]

Difficult to compare absolute numbers due to varying definitions. That said, we're almost at 70,000 covid-related deaths so far, but many people have been criticising lockdowns as too stringent.

Calizuela is still refusing to report State recovery numbers & Mayor Garshitti is doing the same with LA County recovery numbers. They're still counting ALL cases as current cases which is just plain bullshit. They do provide enough info to figure it out yourself if you can operate a calculator though.
Over Chrimble/NY the number of actual current cases in the county dropped from 125,000 to 105,000, but all the media was spouting was "The county now has over 500,000 cases"
This week we're being fed "Ten people in the County are being infected every minute & a person dies every 8 minutes". They're also more than a bit reticent to post the break down of who exactly is dying by age.
At this point LA & Calizuela media is basically Volkischer Beobachter.

Are you saying that COVID isn’t a deadly disease and the numbers are being manufactured to make it look like it?

If so, can you state what you believe the purpose of this is?
How the proponents have orchestrated this, worldwide?

[ZRX61]

Here's a few quotes from FB:

As Infection Prevention Director for the 2nd largest county hospitals in CA I think I am a little more qualified to know what's really going on, versus your biased opinion based on the media you choose to follow. 1) Why are you focused on who is recovered? How would you like to define "recovered"? Being as you don't seem to work in epidemology/ public health/ infection prevention I would suggest you don't know what you are talking about! 20% of patients post COVID have depression/mental health diagnosis, 10% are called long haulers, and have significant symptoms - up to 6 months or longer post COVID. Yes I know this - we have a chronic COVID clinic to follow these patients. We have stats - what do you have? Secondly, yes the ICUs are FULL. Some COVID patients some regular non COVID patients. What does is it matter. If you should need an ICU bed after a car accident or a stroke there wll not be one - what will matter then? No ICU bed for you, or will you focus on the fact you don't have recovery numbers? Lastly. HCWs are burning out, related to the surge (3 times as many cases as we have ever seen before). I have personally worked 60-90 hours since March, and yet if you were sick you'd expect us to take care of you depsite lack of beds and burnt out HCWs.

Me: "You have stats? Great, lets have the recovery stats. Right now we have Garshitti & Nero refusing to report them & are misleading the public by endlessly quoting the cumulative total. It's bullshit & you know it's bullshit not to report recovery numbers."

did you read my post? I explained why recovery stats aren't significant

and:

Unfortunately the pandemic has been politicalized and Republican states, who want to downplay the virus may have chosen to point out the number of recovered COVID positive cases. I explained in my previous point why this is difficult to do and why it is somewhat meaningless. The fact is 308K plus people have died in the USA. There is nothing more to say

At which point she turned off commenting after stating that "recovery numbers are meaningless".

[ZRX61]

Are you saying that COVID isn’t a deadly disease and the numbers are being manufactured to make it look like it?

Not at all, I'm stating that reporting recovery numbers might give a true indication of how many people have it THIS WEEK. The media* here reports the cumulative total of cases as current cases. I'm not suggesting they are manufacturing numbers, I'm saying they are deliberately misleading the public.
That's like counting everyone who had Spanish flu 100 years ago as current flu cases. I had measles when I was a kid, I don't still have it, I wasn't counted as a current measles case this century.

Did you get drunk last year? Are you still drunk.. or did you recover?

* and the Mayor of LA & Governor Newsolini.

[Wreckless Rat]

Ok. What do you think they are gaining for reporting incorrect stats? Surely there’s a benefit/purpose

[ZRX61]

Have a look here, top right corner. Shows State deaths & recovery numbers for some States, & no recoveries, only deaths for other States:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6

Uk & Calizuela have about the same total number of cases.

So how is it that NY, Tx, NJ, Pa & Mi can report recovery numbers, & Ca, Fl & Il can't?

US State Level
Deaths, Recovered

40,019 deaths, 110,600 recovered New York US

30,646 deaths, recovered California US

30,629 deaths, 1,568,710 recovered Texas US

23,227 deaths, recovered Florida US

20,039 deaths, 60,052 recovered New Jersey US

19,497 deaths, recovered Illinois US

18,045 deaths, 537,353 recovered Pennsylvania US

14,296 deaths, 415,079 recovered Michigan US