Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine approved

[asmethurst99]

I can see why those things would be relevant to a full time employee. Thats what I was referring to when I said it's probably a copy/paste.

Thing is, the people volunteering to vaccinate aren't looking for a job in the NHS generally. They want to turn up, jab some people and then go home.

I know - maybe we aren't there yet with allowing people to do it as you say - it wouldn't take much of a cock up make a complete disaster (it's not too great now ) but maybe to get the numbers up we will have to change our expectation .
A decent ITU nurse takes about 5 years to grow

[irie]

That is plain fucking ridiculous.

I realise I’m probably in a group of 1 here, but I don’t think that is particularly ridiculous, certainly for someone that doesn’t have a current professional registration.

I can’t imagine it taking more than a couple of hours to wade through.

Perhaps not for someone who does not have a current profession registration, but is there an accelerated path for someone who does have a current professional registration? Doesn't look like it.

This is a national emergency ffs

[irie]

I can see why those things would be relevant to a full time employee. Thats what I was referring to when I said it's probably a copy/paste.

Thing is, the people volunteering to vaccinate aren't looking for a job in the NHS generally. They want to turn up, jab some people and then go home.

I know - maybe we aren't there yet with allowing people to do it as you say - it wouldn't take much of a cock up make a complete disaster (it's not too great now ) but maybe to get the numbers up we will have to change our expectation .
A decent ITU nurse takes about 5 years to grow

What does being a qualified ITU nurse have to do with administering Covid jabs?

[asmethurst99]

That is plain fucking ridiculous.

I realise I’m probably in a group of 1 here, but I don’t think that is particularly ridiculous, certainly for someone that doesn’t have a current professional registration.

I can’t imagine it taking more than a couple of hours to wade through.

Perhaps not for someone who does not have a current profession registration, but is there an accelerated path for someone who does have a current professional registration? Doesn't look like it.

This is a national emergency ffs

Chatting on FB this appears to be a problem - in some area St Jonhs are doing it (they are a pretty good organisation under the peaked hats and have up to date kit) and they have lots of NHS bods working for them.
NHS professionals - I had some doings with them earlier re contact tracing and their admin and reply timetable was underwhelming but I don't know what there workload etc was like at the time so let's see how they perform if they re involved .

[asmethurst99]

I can see why those things would be relevant to a full time employee. Thats what I was referring to when I said it's probably a copy/paste.

Thing is, the people volunteering to vaccinate aren't looking for a job in the NHS generally. They want to turn up, jab some people and then go home.

I know - maybe we aren't there yet with allowing people to do it as you say - it wouldn't take much of a cock up make a complete disaster (it's not too great now ) but maybe to get the numbers up we will have to change our expectation .
A decent ITU nurse takes about 5 years to grow

What does being a qualified ITU nurse have to do with administering Covid jabs?

If we don't get on top of the virus we will need more of them.
(it was a flippant aside)

[wheelnut]

I can see why those things would be relevant to a full time employee. Thats what I was referring to when I said it's probably a copy/paste.

Thing is, the people volunteering to vaccinate aren't looking for a job in the NHS generally. They want to turn up, jab some people and then go home.

But they’re still jabbing people, full time or not, volunteers or not.

[Yorick]

Daft question maybe, but why can't it come in capsule form so can be taken orally?

[wheelnut]

Daft question maybe, but why can't it come in capsule form so can be taken orally?

Because the digestive system destroys the drug.

[slowsider]

Daft question maybe, but why can't it come in capsule form so can be taken orally?

There's a suppository version on its way to the Canaries. Fair's fair.

[Yorick]

Daft question maybe, but why can't it come in capsule form so can be taken orally?

Because the digestive system destroys the drug.

I knew there'd be a simple answer

[Mr. Dazzle]

Daft question maybe, but why can't it come in capsule form so can be taken orally?

The syringes are really hard to swallow, even in a capsule.

[Docca]

Is it possible that the NHS has had the volunteer idea forced on it and don't really want them involved?
I'm sure if they really did want them the barriers wouldn't be so high.

I doubt it- we’re fucked and need all the little ships we can get afloat on the channel.

I’m 100% confident we can rally and jab everyone, we just need the vaccines. It will likely be a bit messy but this is a position like no other.

Wratty; I agree with most of your post and reckon I’d actually quite enjoy working with you. We’re not too dissimilar ( uh-oh) on a lot of this stuff. On the flu vaccine point though; we don’t do that well either. Not at scale.

We have targets set every year to account how many of our staff have had the jab. It usually runs at around 40%. They’ve ( NHSE) have now included ‘declined’ and ‘had elsewhere’ in the rally totals. This year we are 98% compliant - although with what is unclear. Hit the target though.

The list of stuff you need to give a jab; as @Asmerthurst says- most of that shit is in our stat’ and mandatory training.

I did my radicalisation one a few weeks back and it was almost ‘hey look - that fuzzy-Wuzzy’s backpack is ticking- call the rozzers’. It’s all a bit meh. Aside from the critical life saving stuff.

NHS number vs NI: age and application. We see a lot of folk who are not UK citizens/ transient.

It’s worse than that, and this will boil wratty’s piss- some Trusts use their EPR ( electronic patient record) pas ID as their unique identifier. That’s only relevant to them/that Trust or anyone using that system. So not unique and not transferable or indeed identifiable. We managed to jump on to solely NHS number about 2 years ago- but again, not everyone has one.

[irie]

Daft question maybe, but why can't it come in capsule form so can be taken orally?

Because the digestive system destroys the drug.

I knew there'd be a simple answer

Take it the traditional French way, up the arse as a suppository.

[asmethurst99]

Is it possible that the NHS has had the volunteer idea forced on it and don't really want them involved?
I'm sure if they really did want them the barriers wouldn't be so high.

I doubt it- we’re fucked and need all the little ships we can get afloat on the channel.

I’m 100% confident we can rally and jab everyone, we just need the vaccines. It will likely be a bit messy but this is a position like no other.

Wratty; I agree with most of your post and reckon I’d actually quite enjoy working with you. We’re not too dissimilar ( uh-oh) on a lot of this stuff. On the flu vaccine point though; we don’t do that well either. Not at scale.

We have targets set every year to account how many of our staff have had the jab. It usually runs at around 40%. They’ve ( NHSE) have now included ‘declined’ and ‘had elsewhere’ in the rally totals. This year we are 98% compliant - although with what is unclear. Hit the target though.

The list of stuff you need to give a jab; as @Asmerthurst says- most of that shit is in our stat’ and mandatory training.

I did my radicalisation one a few weeks back and it was almost ‘hey look - that fuzzy-Wuzzy’s backpack is ticking- call the rozzers’. It’s all a bit meh. Aside from the critical life saving stuff.

NHS number vs NI: age and application. We see a lot of folk who are not UK citizens/ transient.

It’s worse than that, and this will boil wratty’s piss- some Trusts use their EPR ( electronic patient record) pas ID as their unique identifier. That’s only relevant to them/that Trust or anyone using that system. So not unique and not transferable or indeed identifiable. We managed to jump on to solely NHS number about 2 years ago- but again, not everyone has one.

As above -IT at our network(group of hospitals not all the same trust ) its not bad because historically it's been well done but other places not so much and ours is ok ish .
I wish I could see some evidence of hurry up

[JamJar]

Not sure if this has been asked before but how long after you’ve had the vaccine are you considered “protected” and does this happen after the first jab or the second one?

[Dodgy69]

Not sure if this has been asked before but how long after you’ve had the vaccine are you considered “protected” and does this happen after the first jab or the second one?

Don't think your allowed to ask those sort of questions.

[Docca]

Not sure if this has been asked before but how long after you’ve had the vaccine are you considered “protected” and does this happen after the first jab or the second one?

My understanding is that you’re potentially up to 70% protected after first. The second boosts this to 90+

[irie]

Not sure if this has been asked before but how long after you’ve had the vaccine are you considered “protected” and does this happen after the first jab or the second one?

My understanding is that you’re potentially up to 70% protected after first. The second boosts this to 90+

I think the below may answer this question.

"CEM CMO 2020 044 JCVI Statement.pdf"

It is on https://www.cas.mhra.gov.uk

[Horse]

Not sure if this has been asked before but how long after you’ve had the vaccine are you considered “protected” and does this happen after the first jab or the second one?

My understanding is that you’re potentially up to 70% protected after first. The second boosts this to 90+

Hence the proposals to substantially extend the interval between first and second jabs, to quickly give 70% for twice as many people.

[irie]

Looks like the urgency message is getting through ... maybe

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ing-covid/

Matt Hancock to cut red tape stopping retired doctors signing up to Covid vaccination drive

Matt Hancock has ordered officials to slash red tape that is putting off retired doctors from signing up to help with the mass Covid inoculation programme ahead of the first jabs of the new British-made vaccine on Monday.

The Telegraph disclosed last week that retired medics had been dissuaded from returning to the NHS front line by bureaucracy including a requirement to provide 21 different pieces of evidence to support their application.

However, Mr Hancock, the Health Secretary has now told officials that he wants the process to be urgently streamlined.

He has ordered a review and made it clear that he intends to cut any red tape to make it as streamlined as possible for retired GPs to help with administering Covid-19 jabs.