Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[slowsider]

I guess it saves them blaming brexit

Patience. You can't expect much to have changed in the 17 hours since that was achieved

[Docca]

Don’t read this if you’re of a nervous disposition.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperi ... nt-VOC.pdf


From this Twitter feed:




TL:DR- new B117 variant is likely going to bum us all into oblivion and kids are the biggest spreaders atm.

I’ve already decided not to send mine back

Tier systems do not work. We are not in lockdown by any stretch of the imagination and for all the whole garden centres and the like stay open as ‘essential business’ we are increasing risk.

Cummings really opened the door on doing what you please and this ( this) negligent government and their weak leadership have not been strong enough, not acted soon enough and pretty soon it will be tough.

Trying to see what made you come to the ‘we’re fucked’ conclusion from that report, I’m in no way medically trained, but I don’t see it, can you point me to the relevant part?

Deepti is a respected lecturer in epidemiology and her Twitter feed is worth a read as it goes into just this detail ( read: she isn’t a Karen from Facebook).

My understanding from that thread is:

1. The new variant is vastly more transmissible than the previous versions. I don’t understand why, but I think it has something to do with mutating protein spikes to make it far easier to attach to humans.

2. The spread of this new variant correlates with school aged children being at school, where they struggle to keep distance and so on.

3. Children are due to go back to school next week. The real worry here is that we just won’t contain and it will spread to those more vulnerable - as well as knocking out a few kids ( for reasons I don’t understand) along the way.

4. We have to stop schools from reopening. If we don’t, then if you follow that thread, it maps the consequences. London boroughs are already stating primary schools should now remain closed, against government advice.

5. New variant then comes home with children and could further mutate. Etc.

Thread unroll : https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1344 ... 90464.html

London last night:




As for hating anything Tory- this is the PM that announced it would be acceptable to lose people. Compare that to JA from NZ where she publicly ally declared that no NZ’er should die from this. Regardless of the other bits in between- geography etc , it’s the attitude.

Plus, chumocracy and cronyism - the stuff that people like Iccy tolerate as political behaviour - billions and billions of £ pissed up the wall backing companies with zero proven track record or understanding in virus containment- I don’t care too much for that. Happy to keep stating that too, especially if the only rebuttable is ‘anti- Tory’.

Not accepting catastrophic mistakes have been made simply because people are defending a colour is quite frankly bizarre. And yes, I marched against Tony Blair and would like him thrown in jail for war crimes and don’t care what colour is at the helm, if they fuck us over, we should be capable enough to point it out.

[Wreckless Rat]

He didn’t announce that though, it was suggested but unproven, Cummins may have said it in a meeting.

Thanks for the summary on the report, I am half thinking about keeping my little one at home.

[Mr. Dazzle]

ISTR BoJo saying that we would better off to "take it on the chin" WRT herd immunity during a TV interview.

That's the exact phrase he used IIRC. TBH though approximately 17 years have passed since March 2020 so I could be mistaken.

Edit: He did say it, but its pretty out of context. If anything he was saying the opposite really.

https://fullfact.org/health/boris-johns ... s-morning/

[ZRX61]

IIRC the UK has taken the biggest economic hit of pretty much the entire developed world with about the highest death count per capita.

Check out Calizuela & NY figures. Both economies are pretty much completely shut down.

[JamJar]

Also France has had more cases and fewer deaths. So the NHS has some blame imho, although I do believe the UK was over reporting to start with, as you could die 3months after testing positive and you’d be a covid death.

Do you have a reputable link that says there was 3 months between diagnosis and death because as far as I knew it was 2 weeks?

[Wreckless Rat]

Also France has had more cases and fewer deaths. So the NHS has some blame imho, although I do believe the UK was over reporting to start with, as you could die 3months after testing positive and you’d be a covid death.

Do you have a reputable link that says there was 3 months between diagnosis and death because as far as I knew it was 2 weeks?

It’s still 28days - quick google (until august it was endless)

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/public-he ... a-revised/

[Wreckless Rat]

Also as there is no global standard for what constitutes a covid death, the stats although not meaningless, they aren’t directly comparable.

[Docca]

No pressure here, doll face. You started it. If you can’t stand up for your own words in a way that is anything other than acting like a bulldozer at a bowling alley, don’t say anything?

[moth]

Also as there is no global standard for what constitutes a covid death, the stats although not meaningless, they aren’t directly comparable.

Let's try Japan

Go on then. Let's try that.

Put a bit of effort in.

What sort of forum owner makes his members work on New Year's day?

UK pop: 65,761,117 (22nd)
Japan pop: 125,507,472 (11th)

UK pop density: 274/sq km
Japan pop density: 347/sq km

UK total CV cases: 2,488,780
Japan total CV cases: 230,304

UK total CV deaths: 73,512
Japan total CV deaths: 3.414

UK CV deaths per million 1080
Japan CV deaths per million 27

The metrics used in these statistics may vary by country

Population numbers from CIA World Factbook
Population densities from World Bank
CV information from Worldometer

Will that do?

[moth]

Plus, chumocracy and cronyism - the stuff that people like Iccy tolerate as political behaviour...

As with the rest of your NHS political dogma you've just entirely made that up.
You're back doing that thing where I say something, you latch onto it and throw it back at me.

I posted about NHS cronyism and political bullying. People get promoted based on your political affiliations and the amount of time you've spent there, not your competence. Stick around for long enough and you'll float to senior management, like a turd in a punchbowl.

But now you've thrown it back at me. Remember when you kept doing that a while back? It's a weird way to try and argue

You've become very moany and lacking in grace under pressure - I remember reading somewhere that grace under pressure is the definition of bravery - well anyway, you don't have any.

That's a low punch even by your antagonistic standards. And do at least try and find synonyms for 'bitter', the word is becoming your calling card.

[Wreckless Rat]

Also as there is no global standard for what constitutes a covid death, the stats although not meaningless, they aren’t directly comparable.

Go on then. Let's try that.

Put a bit of effort in.

What sort of forum owner makes his members work on New Year's day?

UK pop: 65,761,117 (22nd)
Japan pop: 125,507,472 (11th)

UK pop density: 274/sq km
Japan pop density: 347/sq km

UK total CV cases: 2,488,780
Japan total CV cases: 230,304

UK total CV deaths: 73,512
Japan total CV deaths: 3.414

UK CV deaths per million 1080
Japan CV deaths per million 27

The metrics used in these statistics may vary by country

Population numbers from CIA World Factbook
Population densities from World Bank
CV information from Worldometer

Will that do?

I know - so what’s the point of quoting them as some kind of evidence the uk has done the worst, which was the claim..,,

[moth]

Also as there is no global standard for what constitutes a covid death, the stats although not meaningless, they aren’t directly comparable.

What sort of forum owner makes his members work on New Year's day?

UK pop: 65,761,117 (22nd)
Japan pop: 125,507,472 (11th)

UK pop density: 274/sq km
Japan pop density: 347/sq km

UK total CV cases: 2,488,780
Japan total CV cases: 230,304

UK total CV deaths: 73,512
Japan total CV deaths: 3.414

UK CV deaths per million 1080
Japan CV deaths per million 27

The metrics used in these statistics may vary by country

Population numbers from CIA World Factbook
Population densities from World Bank
CV information from Worldometer

Will that do?

I know - so what’s the point of quoting them as some kind of evidence the uk has done the worst, which was the claim..,,

OK, use statistics to prove that the UK hasn't done the worst then. Or just take a fucking wild guess.

That two island nations, both First World countries, have such widely different numbers of cases and deaths suggests that, even allowing for error, the UK isn't doing too well.

[Wreckless Rat]

I know - so what’s the point of quoting them as some kind of evidence the uk has done the worst, which was the claim..,,

OK, use statistics to prove that the UK hasn't done the worst then. Or just take a fucking wild guess.

That two island nations, both First World countries, have such widely different numbers of cases and deaths suggests that, even allowing for error, the UK isn't doing too well.

You can’t as there is no standard for reporting. The stats are totally pointless for direct comparison, I thought you were bright enough to grasp this simple fact.

You can flog your dead horse if you like.

[demographic]

You can’t as there is no standard for reporting. The stats are totally pointless for direct comparison, I thought you were bright enough to grasp this simple fact.

You can flog your dead horse if you like.

So on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being bloody excellent and 1 being as crap as its possible to get, where do you think the UK has done?

You've obviously got an idea in your head, share it please.

[Wreckless Rat]

And a quick bit of Googling suggests that the Japanese population immune response is likely to have seen a sars like infection previously...

Seeing how they didn’t lock down or test fuck all, and their immune response means Japans stats compared to the uk are utterly irrelevant.

[Wreckless Rat]

You can’t as there is no standard for reporting. The stats are totally pointless for direct comparison, I thought you were bright enough to grasp this simple fact.

You can flog your dead horse if you like.

So on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being bloody excellent and 1 being as crap as its possible to get, where do you think the UK has done?

You've obviously got an idea in your head, share it please.

Government 5/6 out of 10
NHS 5/6 out of 10
Population 5/6 out of 10

[irie]

You can’t as there is no standard for reporting.

Correct, this was covered ad nauseum in 'the other place'.

[Wreckless Rat]

Also why pick Japan, apart from suiting your narrative of course. France and Spain, similar size population, with shared genetic history, and we know this virus is selective according to ethnic grouping/linage.

Now the stats are rather turned. France a far more spread population has more infections, fewer deaths {looks sternly at NHS}

Of course some people just want to blame the Tory party, which is fine, doesn’t make it right though.

[slowsider]

That's a low punch even by your antagonistic standards. And do at least try and find synonyms for 'bitter', the word is becoming your calling card.

He'll be so pleased you rushed to his rescue.

Your man suggested that I was corrupt and supported cronyism, now that probably flies where you're from, but I value my integrity and I find his accusation absent of any charm whatsoever.

I often felt quite hard done by when I was on the coal face, getting shot at and dealing with whatever was thrown at me, having my leave cancelled so I could do public sector jobs when they were on strike, but I didn't cry like a little baby at Tony Blair - grace under pressure, some call it bravery. Do your job and don't whine like a child about it.

You two should get together and hug it out.

Are you deliberately channelling Hemingway now?