Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[demographic]

We're in Tier 4 now and just seeing the traffic on the road now shows its nothing like the previous lockdown.

One thing I saw today mentioned the postponing of the second vaccination stage for healthcare staff.
The bloke talking about it admits he's no expert and wasn't sure if it makes more sense to give twice as many people the first stage vaccine jab (possibly better for the general population?) than to give half as many people both jabs.



The other option might be the claiming to have vaccinated more people, a bit like happened with the PPE numbers when it was claimed to be far more items of PPE but that only worked if they counted each glove individually instead of in pairs like they get used... and the testing numbers where they counted eact persons test as two because there were two swabs IIRC.

[Taipan]

TL:DR- new B117 variant is likely going to bum us all into oblivion and kids are the biggest spreaders atm.

I’ve already decided not to send mine back

Tier systems do not work. We are not in lockdown by any stretch of the imagination and for all the whole garden centres and the like stay open as ‘essential business’ we are increasing risk.

Cummings really opened the door on doing what you please and this ( this) negligent government and their weak leadership have not been strong enough, not acted soon enough and pretty soon it will be tough.

IIRC kids have always been deemed superspreaders, which in turn both amazes and annoys me that teaching staff aren't being offered the vaccine only lateral flow testing and that's a new development?

I'm now thinking the tier system in pointless. I drove through a local town yesterday and saw the market was on, albeit with limited stalls, but none were exactly essential.

As expected many people still think they're above the virus and their actions will have no consequences for anyone else.https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/ ... hMCBu5GzDY

Yes Cummings was bad, but Farrier was unforgivable. Both should have been prosecuted and her harshly. I gather from Yorick et all other countries enforce things much more than we are. Time we manned up.

[Dodgy69]

Do you really think that's what it shows? In that case, how would you have done things differently, to have a better result?

I'm not supporting the "leadership", BTW, but I think you're grossly underestimating the difficulty of the problem. Go on - how would you have done it?

......I've spoken to many this year, who don't know or understand what they can and can't do. Can we travel to there or not.? How long can I leave the house.? etc

What i do know, is that we are in the same shit a year on. We haven't been able to manage the spread and are completely reliant on a vaccine.

Anyway, gonna watch Jool's now.

I think there's a difference between poor understanding claimed to be because of complicated and varying rules, and the wilfully poor understanding shown by those large numbers who want to carry on doing what they want to do while blaming "the rules". The rules were bound to be complicated; how could you justify (and expect compliance with) a total lockdown in an area that's hardly affected because another area 300 miles away has a different experience? And the rules were bound to vary as the character/infectivity of the virus changes.

The entire aim is to reduce the risk of spread, to ourselves and to others, and that doesn't demand a great deal of "understanding" - just (just!) people taking personal responsibility.

And you haven't said how you'd have done it differently.

BTW - I thought Graham Norton was a much more enjoyable show to end the year with - a bunch of real people havng fun - tho I do like JH and his band.

Can't stand Graham Norton or Paddy McGuinness, he was on earlier. There both like the Eastenders theme tune to me, soon as I hear it, its off, whether we're watching TV or not.

Imo... Boris should of gone for to an "idiots guide" and not a complicated Tier system, to help simplify the rules and eliminate excuse, Surely, having different tiers just creates highs and lows, continually moving up and down the country.

As we've seen, as soon as they ease off in any particular area, the virus takes hold again. I would imagine, singing off the same hymn sheet, including Scotland and Wales, would of helped.

Not sure Pubs, takeaways, etc needed to reopen with the substantial meal deals, lol. It ain't an easy fix and a year on, it's worse than ever, evidence our leaders ain't got a clue. Fingers crossed these vaccines do the job.

[weeksy]

Most other countries with similar population density doing better then?

Let's try, Germany

Germany on Thursday reported its second-highest daily total of coronavirus infections, with 32,552 new cases along with 964 new deaths.


France don't appear to be doing much better

So both France and Germany have shit leadership too?

Or could it possibly be, everyone is fucked

[Wreckless Rat]

Don’t read this if you’re of a nervous disposition.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperi ... nt-VOC.pdf


From this Twitter feed:




TL:DR- new B117 variant is likely going to bum us all into oblivion and kids are the biggest spreaders atm.

I’ve already decided not to send mine back

Tier systems do not work. We are not in lockdown by any stretch of the imagination and for all the whole garden centres and the like stay open as ‘essential business’ we are increasing risk.

Cummings really opened the door on doing what you please and this ( this) negligent government and their weak leadership have not been strong enough, not acted soon enough and pretty soon it will be tough.

Trying to see what made you come to the ‘we’re fucked’ conclusion from that report, I’m in no way medically trained, but I don’t see it, can you point me to the relevant part?

[moth]

Most other countries with similar population density doing better then?

Let's try, Germany

Germany on Thursday reported its second-highest daily total of coronavirus infections, with 32,552 new cases along with 964 new deaths.

Let's try Japan

[weeksy]

Most other countries with similar population density doing better then?

Let's try, Germany

Germany on Thursday reported its second-highest daily total of coronavirus infections, with 32,552 new cases along with 964 new deaths.

Let's try Japan

Go on then. Let's try that.

Put a bit of effort in.

[Horse]

both amazes and annoys me that teaching staff aren't being offered the vaccine only lateral flow testing and that's a new development?

Filly travels between schools, there's been no suggestion of testing for her team. Before Christmas, several schools around here were struggling to have enough staff on-site to remain open. That isn't going to improve, so it's likely that schools will have to close, despite the government ignoring advice and the rising numbers of children being tested positive - unlike in the first wave when we were assured that children didn't catch or spread it.

Edit:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... cember2020

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: 24 December 2020

Figure 5: In the most recent week, the percentage testing positive has continued to increase in primary and secondary school-age children and in young adults

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[Skub]

Cummings really opened the door on doing what you please

I think the 'doing what you please' attitude in Western civilisation has been around much longer than any passè political advisor. It's the spirit of the boomer generation and people have lived their entire lives by the code since after the 2nd world war.

It has been a positive force for change in the past,but with this virus for better or worse perhaps it works against us.

[Wreckless Rat]

Trying to see what made you come to the ‘we’re fucked’ conclusion from that report, I’m in no way medically trained, but I don’t see it, can you point me to the relevant part?

He probably cut & paste from Facebook.
The world is fucked and it's all down to Cummings and Boris.

In all honesty, bar Doccas hatred of anything Tory, I value his opinion. I have a 4yr old and I am toying with keeping her at home, I’m sort of high risk, my missus has been made redundant so we have no real dying urge to send her off to an infection pit if the risk is huge. I just don’t see it in that report. I see a lot of medical speak, but nothing that says “we are all doomed”.

[Taipan]

both amazes and annoys me that teaching staff aren't being offered the vaccine only lateral flow testing and that's a new development?

Filly travels between schools, there's been no suggestion of testing for her team. Before Christmas, several schools around here were struggling to have enough staff on-site to remain open. That isn't going to improve, so it's likely that schools will have to close, despite the government ignoring advice and the rising numbers of children being tested positive - unlike in the first wave when we were assured that children didn't catch or spread it.

My wife work in a school in Thurrock. There have been multiple cases of covid+ from pupils within her school and other local ones. My wife was sent home early before the Xmas break due to a case in her class and we were all were tested (negative). She returns next week and has been told all staff will be tested (lateral flow) weekly.

[demographic]

Most other countries with similar population density doing better then?

Let's try, Germany

Germany on Thursday reported its second-highest daily total of coronavirus infections, with 32,552 new cases along with 964 new deaths.


France don't appear to be doing much better

So both France and Germany have shit leadership too?

Or could it possibly be, everyone is fucked

Think we in the UK are at about seventy thousand Covid deaths now and their economy hasn't taken anything like as big a hit as ours either.
IIRC the UK has taken the biggest economic hit of pretty much the entire developed world with about the highest death count per capita.

I'll ratch out the numbers if you want me to?
Edit, this is worth a look at if anyone has the time.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[Wreckless Rat]

In all honesty, bar Doccas hatred of anything Tory, I value his opinion. I have a 4yr old and I am toying with keeping her at home, I’m sort of high risk, my missus has been made redundant so we have no real dying urge to send her off to an infection pit if the risk is huge. I just don’t see it in that report. I see a lot of medical speak, but nothing that says “we are all doomed”.

How long do you think it will be until you're in a position where if you catch covid then you might not die?
I think it's going to be at least three years until this all calms down.

I’d say by mid summer if the vaccine is any good, there will hopefully be enough of dent in transmission. All depends on how well they get the vaccines out and if they work I guess...

[weeksy]

Most other countries with similar population density doing better then?

Let's try, Germany

Germany on Thursday reported its second-highest daily total of coronavirus infections, with 32,552 new cases along with 964 new deaths.


France don't appear to be doing much better

So both France and Germany have shit leadership too?

Or could it possibly be, everyone is fucked

Think we in the UK are at about seventy thousand Covid deaths now and their economy hasn't taken anything like as big a hit as ours either.
IIRC the UK has taken the biggest economic hit of pretty much the entire developed world with about the highest death count per capita.

I'll ratch out the numbers if you want me to?

I don't mind either way, my point is that mostly even if we're a bit worse than many, they still all have lots and lots dying, lots and lots infected, lots and lots of full ICU beds.

There's no good answer and a large chunk of the issues are not our government or the rules applied, but the idiots ignoring the sensible thing to do.

I'd bet if you put any other government in charge we'd struggle still because idiots are idiots.

Anyway, I'm done with this topic. For people who like bikes you lot seem to want the politics section back.

I'm tempted to put it back and delete my account.

[Wreckless Rat]

Most other countries with similar population density doing better then?

Let's try, Germany

Germany on Thursday reported its second-highest daily total of coronavirus infections, with 32,552 new cases along with 964 new deaths.


France don't appear to be doing much better

So both France and Germany have shit leadership too?

Or could it possibly be, everyone is fucked

Think we in the UK are at about seventy thousand Covid deaths now and their economy hasn't taken anything like as big a hit as ours either.
IIRC the UK has taken the biggest economic hit of pretty much the entire developed world with about the highest death count per capita.

I'll ratch out the numbers if you want me to?

I’d like to see the evidence the uk has taken the worst financial hit...

[Noggin]

I don't know if it's politics, but places like France have a similar population (roughly?) but a much bigger area for the population to 'spread out'. So surely that affects how the virus can travel/be shared etc

I haven't looked at the numbers before really but was talking to a friend yesterday who does, every day. So I had a look this afternoon.

[moth]

Most other countries with similar population density doing better then?

Let's try, Germany

Germany on Thursday reported its second-highest daily total of coronavirus infections, with 32,552 new cases along with 964 new deaths.

Let's try Japan

Go on then. Let's try that.

Put a bit of effort in.

What sort of forum owner makes his members work on New Year's day?

UK pop: 65,761,117 (22nd)
Japan pop: 125,507,472 (11th)

UK pop density: 274/sq km
Japan pop density: 347/sq km

UK total CV cases: 2,488,780
Japan total CV cases: 230,304

UK total CV deaths: 73,512
Japan total CV deaths: 3.414

UK CV deaths per million 1080
Japan CV deaths per million 27

The metrics used in these statistics may vary by country

Population numbers from CIA World Factbook
Population densities from World Bank
CV information from Worldometer

Will that do?

[Wreckless Rat]

Also France has had more cases and fewer deaths. So the NHS has some blame imho, although I do believe the UK was over reporting to start with, as you could die 3months after testing positive and you’d be a covid death.

[demographic]

I’d like to see the evidence the uk has taken the worst financial hit...

The UK was the hardest hit by Covid-19 among major economies from April to June, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has said.

Its economy suffered its biggest slump on record over the three-month period as coronavirus lockdown measures pushed the country officially into recession.

Its 20.4% contraction was well above the 9.8% drop for the 37 OECD nations as a whole, the think tank said.

Spain was the next worst hit, with a decline of 18.5%.

The decline for the OECD area was its largest on record, far outstripping the 2.3% drop recorded in the first three months of 2009, at the height of the financial crisis.

At the same time, the G7 group of industrialised nations suffered a contraction of 10.9%, while the eurozone saw a 12.1% fall.

Among other G7 nations, second-quarter GDP declined by 13.8% in France, while Italy, Canada and Germany suffered falls of 12.4%, 12% and 9.7% respectively.

When the UK published its second-quarter GDP figures earlier this month, Chancellor Rishi Sunak told the BBC that the government was "grappling with something that is unprecedented" and that it was "a very difficult and uncertain time".

He said the UK economy had performed worse than its EU counterparts because it was focused on services, hospitality and consumer spending.

But shadow chancellor Anneliese Dodds blamed Prime Minister Boris Johnson for the scale of the economic decline, saying: "A downturn was inevitable after lockdown - but Johnson's jobs crisis wasn't."

[Wreckless Rat]

I guess it saves them blaming brexit