Covid restrictions - are you adhering or not?

[moth]

I do believe the UK does have a good share of the western world's uneducated, ill disciplined, mongy sorts, but, it ain't being helped by very complicated tier systems that many of us haven't
understand.

If the rules were black and white, in or out then folk can't blame others. If the country was in sync, all doing the same, it may of helped, but different bits doing different thinks ain't working. Folk will bend the rules, cross the borders, etc.

To be in this situation one year on, positive covid numbers, nightingales, sick hospital staff, really does show poor leadership. If it was company management under the spotlight, they would no longer be with the business , probably wishing them all the best for the future, maybe after a spell of gardening.

Happy New year.

Tbf mate, they're not fucking hard to follow.

It's 90% common sense mostly.

The figures of "meet 6 people" or whatever are not goals or targets, it's a case of 'see as few as possible' surely?

I don't see why so many HAVE to see others.

I may have said this before, but common sense isn't as common as you'd think.

You seem to have the mindset of my parents (which I inherited to a certain extent) that consideration for others overrides one's personal wants. It doesn't fucking work in today's entitled 'society' mate.

[irie]

I do believe the UK does have a good share of the western world's uneducated, ill disciplined, mongy sorts, but, it ain't being helped by very complicated tier systems that many of us haven't
understand.

If the rules were black and white, in or out then folk can't blame others. If the country was in sync, all doing the same, it may of helped, but different bits doing different thinks ain't working. Folk will bend the rules, cross the borders, etc.

To be in this situation one year on, positive covid numbers, nightingales, sick hospital staff, really does show poor leadership. If it was company management under the spotlight, they would no longer be with the business , probably wishing them all the best for the future, maybe after a spell of gardening.

Happy New year.

Tbf mate, they're not fucking hard to follow.

It's 90% common sense mostly.

The figures of "meet 6 people" or whatever are not goals or targets, it's a case of 'see as few as possible' surely?

I don't see why so many HAVE to see others.

Agree with you. The "rules" are not there to be pushed to the limit, they are there for guidance so that people may respond by considering others and limiting their social contact as much as possible, not whatever they consider to be personally convenient. This has been explained ad nauseum on the TV and other media but it still doesn't sink in. It really is not complicated.

[weeksy]

I do believe the UK does have a good share of the western world's uneducated, ill disciplined, mongy sorts, but, it ain't being helped by very complicated tier systems that many of us haven't
understand.

If the rules were black and white, in or out then folk can't blame others. If the country was in sync, all doing the same, it may of helped, but different bits doing different thinks ain't working. Folk will bend the rules, cross the borders, etc.

To be in this situation one year on, positive covid numbers, nightingales, sick hospital staff, really does show poor leadership. If it was company management under the spotlight, they would no longer be with the business , probably wishing them all the best for the future, maybe after a spell of gardening.

Happy New year.

Tbf mate, they're not fucking hard to follow.

It's 90% common sense mostly.

The figures of "meet 6 people" or whatever are not goals or targets, it's a case of 'see as few as possible' surely?

I don't see why so many HAVE to see others.

I may have said this before, but common sense isn't as common as you'd think.

You seem to have the mindset of my parents (which I inherited to a certain extent) that consideration for others overrides one's personal wants. It doesn't fucking work in today's entitled 'society' mate.

I'd have thought a sense of mortality would bring that? I'm not the most considerate person on the planet, but I do have a level of not wanting to drop dead

[irie]

I may have said this before, but common sense isn't as common as you'd think.

You seem to have the mindset of my parents (which I inherited to a certain extent) that consideration for others overrides one's personal wants. It doesn't fucking work in today's entitled 'society' mate.

[Bottom line]

Evidently not. So let them die.

[/Bottom line]

[weeksy]

I may have said this before, but common sense isn't as common as you'd think.

You seem to have the mindset of my parents (which I inherited to a certain extent) that consideration for others overrides one's personal wants. It doesn't fucking work in today's entitled 'society' mate.

Evidently not. So let them die.

Sadly it's not just them who die. If it were I wouldn't give a fuck

[Mr. Dazzle]

I don't see why so many HAVE to see others.

Mrs D has this attitude too, as do I to a very great extent. We're both naturally solitary sorts so 2020 hasn't actually been too hard for us.

Its something I see repeated on here quite a lot too, including from me.

All I can say is imagine the boot we're on the other foot. Imagine you're someone who doesn't like crowds etc. and you're forced to go a loud party full of orange Essex people and Strictly fans every day. Itd wear a bit thin after a while

I don't support people breaking the rules, quite the opposite. But I do understand it.

I don't think its all that much to do with intelligence either, plenty of intelligent people smoke, or cheat on their spouse and get tied up in messy divorce, or make dumb financial decisions.

Basically, humans suck at being alive.

[irie]

I may have said this before, but common sense isn't as common as you'd think.

You seem to have the mindset of my parents (which I inherited to a certain extent) that consideration for others overrides one's personal wants. It doesn't fucking work in today's entitled 'society' mate.

Evidently not. So let them die.

Sadly it's not just them who die. If it were I wouldn't give a fuck

Not "just", but mostly.

Lemmings.

[cheb]

Anyone who doesn't understand, or claims not to understand, the tier system is either actually stupid or wilfully so.

In short: If you think you are pushing your luck then you are. IDGAF if you do or are, just don't try and justify as anything other than selfish. It like smokers who blame their fucked lungs on anything but the fags.

Says the man who travelled the length of the UK and back four times this year.

First was for compassionate reasons. When the NHS's, God Bless Them All, idea of good mental health care is 'Take these pills and fuck off, there's a dear' I felt it necessary. That was great fun living in a Transit van for a week.

The other three were moving one of my spawn from the deep south back to the islands.

One other grates too: All though who banged on about austerity was going to kill people seem to be the same bunch who want the economy locked down so hard it tanks completely and there's nothing left to live except borrowed money.

Sorry weeksy. Delete it if you want.

[moth]

One other grates too: All though who banged on about austerity was going to kill people seem to be the same bunch who want the economy locked down so hard it tanks completely and there's nothing left to live except borrowed money.

Can't see the dichotomy? Austerity was a political ideology, lockdown is an existential necessity.

I can do a longer version if you like.

[slowsider]

I don't think its all that much to do with intelligence either, plenty of intelligent people smoke, or cheat on their spouse and get tied up in messy divorce, or make dumb financial decisions.

those are generally not infectious though

[Hoonercat]

I do believe the UK does have a good share of the western world's uneducated, ill disciplined, mongy sorts, but, it ain't being helped by very complicated tier systems that many of us haven't
understand.

If the rules were black and white, in or out then folk can't blame others. If the country was in sync, all doing the same, it may of helped, but different bits doing different thinks ain't working. Folk will bend the rules, cross the borders, etc.

To be in this situation one year on, positive covid numbers, nightingales, sick hospital staff, really does show poor leadership. If it was company management under the spotlight, they would no longer be with the business , probably wishing them all the best for the future, maybe after a spell of gardening.

Happy New year.

In all honesty I don't think it's anything to do with lack of education or regional variations on rules, we had regional variations here earlier in the year and it worked extremely well (gone to shit since the restrictions were lifted though). I should imagine there are less police per head of population here than in the UK, but they got round this by setting up checkpoints going in and out of the cities (the hotbeds for the virus) which made going to a city a PITA, you don't want to spend an hour or two stuck in traffic unless you really need to. (It's also been great for the village shops, every grocery store in the village has expanded the range of foods they offer, 2 have extended their premises and the hardware shop is currently in the process of demolishing then rebuilding a bigger premises thanks to all the extra trade.)
I think it's more to do with a lack of enforcement (or, at least, a perceived lack of enforcement leading to a belief that they won't be 'caught') and an attitiude that they're entitled to do whatever they like because they work hard and need to unwind. I don't think they're uneducated, but possibly more immature whe it comes to obeying rules.
I'm not a fan of Boris, but I think it's right to have those regional variations. There's no point completely shutting down Manchester (for example) if the infection rate is low, just because the infection rate in London is high. Business needs a breather, as do people. Stopping people from travelling to and from areas with high infection rates should in theory help to slow the virus, but I guess police checkpoints wouldn't be too popular n the UK, and maybe not even possible given the number of entry and exit points (they got around that here by putting concrete barriers on minor roads but not 'advertising' it, another good way to put people off making unnecessary journeys. I remember a few posts from angry expats who thought they'd skip the checkpoints by using the back roads, only to give up after a fruitless drive where they kept meeting concrete barriers).

[cheb]

One other grates too: All though who banged on about austerity was going to kill people seem to be the same bunch who want the economy locked down so hard it tanks completely and there's nothing left to live except borrowed money.

Can't see the dichotomy? Austerity was a political ideology, lockdown is an existential necessity.

I can do a longer version if you like.

There's also a common factor: Both have been done by shape shifting Old Etonian Oxbridge Torries.

[Docca]

Tbf mate, they're not fucking hard to follow.

It's 90% common sense mostly.

The figures of "meet 6 people" or whatever are not goals or targets, it's a case of 'see as few as possible' surely?

I don't see why so many HAVE to see others.

Whilst that may be one interpretation, another could easily be ‘well, it says up to six but I’ve only mixed with 9 and that’s only 3 more so not too bad’. I was only doing 90 in a 70 etc.

There were parts of the guidance that were massively ambiguous.

Tiers 2, 3 or 4 - makes almost no difference. People are still going about their business. Off or on, because in between isn’t working. As soon as leave interpretation open to the public, you’re fucked.

[Docca]

One other grates too: All though who banged on about austerity was going to kill people seem to be the same bunch who want the economy locked down so hard it tanks completely and there's nothing left to live except borrowed money.

Can't see the dichotomy? Austerity was a political ideology, lockdown is an existential necessity.

I can do a longer version if you like.

There's also a common factor: Both have been done by shape shifting Old Etonian Oxbridge Torries.

Why keep referencing shape shifting and Tories? Are you suggesting that this party ( or indeed any party) haven’t fleeced the public with their various quangos and chumocracy? It’s a disgrace. Dido Harding? PalantirTech? Brexit? PPE deals with mates of mates of mates that delivered nothing?

They’re all at it, however it’s this lot who are currently at the wheel and need tomatoes thrown at them.

[Dodgy69]

Are the more socially disciplined parts of the world controlling it better than us. ? If so, then it shouldn't needed policing.

[irie]

One other grates too: All though who banged on about austerity was going to kill people seem to be the same bunch who want the economy locked down so hard it tanks completely and there's nothing left to live except borrowed money.

Can't see the dichotomy? Austerity was a political ideology, lockdown is an existential necessity.

I can do a longer version if you like.

Austerity has been adopted by Western politicians as an political weapon, but in fact austerity is an economic principle adhered to by the Austrian school of economics, in contrast to the Keynesian school of economics.

[wheelnut]

Whilst that may be one interpretation, another could easily be ‘well, it says up to six but I’ve only mixed with 9 and that’s only 3 more so not too bad’. I was only doing 90 in a 70 etc.

There were parts of the guidance that were massively ambiguous.

Tiers 2, 3 or 4 - makes almost no difference. People are still going about their business. Off or on, because in between isn’t working. As soon as leave interpretation open to the public, you’re fucked.

Back during the first lockdown in April the roads were deserted, it was like a post-zombie apocalypse. It was discussed in the other place and I said that the lockdoen was a once only hit, people wouldn’t do it again .

Come the November lockdown, traffic levels didn’t change at all. People did their best to continue to make a living despite the government.

[cheb]

Because IME those who rail at the Torries ignore, or ignored, what the other parties did when in power. I'm thinking of that nice Mister Blair and his successor or the current SNP with their groper of an ex leader and the current attempted cover up.

I'm no great beef with individual politicians in general, it's just when the party comes along all deceny seems to be cast aside. A bit like the great unwashed and common sense in these challenging times.

As an amusing aside, I've a mate who SNP through and through, they can do no wrong. He's also ex Glasgow shipyards, and likewise they can do no wrong. Then along comes the squalid CalMac ferry fiasco, full of vote buying, influence buying and political jobbery. He's knacked as neither side can do no wrong, yet it ended up as a cluster bourach. He's prbably found a reason to blame the Torries and Bastard English. To my great joy he forgets I'm one of the latter. You know his type, a closet racist.

[Wossname]

..... To be in this situation one year on, positive covid numbers, nightingales, sick hospital staff, really does show poor leadership.....

Do you really think that's what it shows? In that case, how would you have done things differently, to have a better result?

I'm not supporting the "leadership", BTW, but I think you're grossly underestimating the difficulty of the problem. Go on - how would you have done it?

[Docca]

Not sure the attachments will work but this is the actual email from Royal London.

It probably won’t be in order, but I’m not the best at using this forum.