Astrazeneca/Oxford vaccine approved

[Saga Lout]

... that would cover everyone who is really venerable* ...

EDIT: *And even some vulnerable people too.

Or both.

[Buckaroo]

... that would cover everyone who is really venerable* ...

EDIT: *And even some vulnerable people too.

Or both.

Phew, I thought I was about to be edited out for a moment. I was a vulnerable venerable.

[irie]

As manufacturer and supply scales up, so will distribution and delivery. Also the AZ vaccine will have none of distribution issues of the Pfizer. Still gonna be a while tho.

When they started doing the testing, they were managing a few thousand a day, now they’re up to 400k per day. Supply allowing, I suspect vaccinations will be easier.

Maybe although I suspect they wont be doing them in car parks like the test I had or send them to people to do at home like a lot of the tests today

Every year Mrs irie does loads of flu vacs for her clients and she can easily do 100 per day.. To put that into perspective I think there are over 9,000 GP practices in the UK so the 9,000 GP practices alone with one nurse could theoretically do 900,000 vacs per day.

[Yambo]

Every year Mrs irie does loads of flu vacs for her clients and she can easily do 100 per day.. To put that into perspective I think there are over 9,000 GP practices in the UK so the 9,000 GP practices alone with one nurse could theoretically do 900,000 vacs per day.

I'm guessing that Mrs irie doesn't have to fill out 15 pages of forms for every flu jab so a Covid Passport can be produced to keep the world and his dog happy that the individual is in fact, vaccinated.

[irie]

Every year Mrs irie does loads of flu vacs for her clients and she can easily do 100 per day.. To put that into perspective I think there are over 9,000 GP practices in the UK so the 9,000 GP practices alone with one nurse could theoretically do 900,000 vacs per day.

I'm guessing that Mrs irie doesn't have to fill out 15 pages of forms for every flu jab so a Covid Passport can be produced to keep the world and his dog happy that the individual is in fact, vaccinated.

No, not 15 pages, just 1 page pp.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Could be worse....at least she doesn't have to fill in a form for everyone who didn't have it too

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/29/euro ... index.html

[cheb]

I figure we can't be doing too badly otherwise there's be lots of comparisons to other countries who were doing better.

And if it is shape shifting lizard Old Etonions controlling it all they've decided not to out themselves in Scotland.

[irie]

The regulator decided on the 3 month delay between doses.

The Oxford trial found with two doses its vaccine was 62% effective, but when people were given a half dose followed by a full dose at least a month later its efficacy reportedly rose to 90%.

Some questioned these results - including the UK medicines regulator, who reviewed the data and recommended that two full doses should be administered.

The agency concluded that the Oxford vaccine was up to 80% effective when the second dose was delayed by three months.

The jab already provides 70% protection 22 days after the first dose, according to the UK's Joint Committee of Vaccinations and Immunisations (JCVI).

[Dodgy69]

I figure we can't be doing too badly otherwise there's be lots of comparisons to other countries who were doing better.

And if it is shape shifting lizard Old Etonions controlling it all they've decided not to out themselves in Scotland.

It would be good to hear how other countries are rolling out their vaccines.

[Noggin]

I figure we can't be doing too badly otherwise there's be lots of comparisons to other countries who were doing better.

And if it is shape shifting lizard Old Etonions controlling it all they've decided not to out themselves in Scotland.

It would be good to hear how other countries are rolling out their vaccines.

I'm not convinced I'm going to be on the list to get it, but I haven't anything about people over here getting it aside from only 140 were vaccinated in one day!!
No idea where it's being done, which vaccine etc. Although I did read somewhere (FB probably so not exactly a good source) that France was waiting for it's own vaccine to be ready

[Horse]

I figure we can't be doing too badly otherwise there's be lots of comparisons to other countries who were doing better.

And if it is shape shifting lizard Old Etonions controlling it all they've decided not to out themselves in Scotland.

It would be good to hear how other countries are rolling out their vaccines.

The first step there is to approve them for use, there are variations with that. IIRC Russia is starting vaccination even though it's not completed testing.

[irie]

I figure we can't be doing too badly otherwise there's be lots of comparisons to other countries who were doing better.

And if it is shape shifting lizard Old Etonions controlling it all they've decided not to out themselves in Scotland.

It would be good to hear how other countries are rolling out their vaccines.

FT did a piece about Germany which when I read it was not behind a paywall (so grabbed a copy) but now is, so quoted in full. (I'm not a FT subscriber).

Speaks for itself.

https://www.ft.com/content/c0ae3056-ac7 ... 84fd203f3b

The German government is facing awkward questions about why the country that developed the first approved Covid-19 vaccine has so few supplies of the jab, with vaccination rates in Germany lagging far behind the US, UK and Israel.

Jens Spahn, the health minister, pleaded with Germans to have patience. “Throughout the world, supplies of the vaccine are tight,” he told reporters on Wednesday. But he insisted that the situation would ease as more vaccines were approved.

Germans have been angered by statistics showing that more than 640,000 people have already received the Covid-19 jab in Israel, compared with only 78,000 in Germany. Rates of inoculation are also much higher in the UK, which started vaccinations earlier than the EU, and the US. Yet Germany is the home of BioNTech, which developed the Covid-19 vaccine together with Pfizer.

“Sometimes German politicians are so proud of themselves that they forget to learn from the best of the world,” said Marco Buschmann, an MP with the opposition Free Democrats, referring to Israel’s plan to vaccinate most of its population by the end of March.

German officials have complained that they are not receiving as many batches of the vaccine as promised from the central government. Dilek Kalayci, health minister for Berlin, said she had been told that a delivery of 29,250 doses scheduled to arrive in the first week of January had now been cancelled.

“That makes things very difficult for us because we had done all our planning on the basis of these commitments,” she told RBB radio. “I’m angry — the scarcity of the vaccine is a problem for the start of [the] vaccination campaign in Germany.” She said the capital had so far only received a total of 58,500 doses — enough for residents of care homes, but not for other risk groups.

The state of Brandenburg, which surrounds Berlin, also announced on Wednesday that it would not be receiving any consignments of vaccine in the first week of January.

Even before Germany officially began its vaccination campaign last weekend, some politicians, including the Bavarian prime minister Markus Söder, were warning of shortages of the vaccine. “What the government ordered is sufficient, but it’s taking time to produce it,” he said, warning: “People will be less willing to get vaccinated if they have to wait forever.”

Mr Spahn has said that Germany expects to receive more than 130m doses — from BioNTech/Pfizer and the US company Moderna. That would be enough to ensure that everyone who wants one can receive a Covid-19 vaccination next year.

But Germany’s ability to obtain more doses is constrained. As an EU member state, it is part of the EU-wide scheme for procuring and distributing the vaccine. Mr Spahn said Berlin had consciously decided to “take this European path”, which meant countries could not negotiate bilaterally with the vaccine-producers in parallel with the EU’s own scheme. Germany would, the minister added, buy up all doses that other European countries failed to claim from the EU contingent.

Another problem is that Germany put big bets on vaccines being developed by companies such as Sanofi and CureVac, which have so far failed to win regulatory approval. When those bets were being placed, no one knew which vaccine would be approved first, Mr Spahn said.

Mr Spahn said that by the summer, most people in Germany who wanted to be inoculated would have received the vaccine. However, others are more ambitious. After UK authorities approved the new vaccine developed by Oxford university and AstraZeneca on Wednesday, health secretary Matt Hancock said it meant the country would be able to exit the pandemic “by the spring”.

[wheelnut]

It would be good to hear how other countries are rolling out their vaccines.

I think we’re in a pretty good place with regard to vaccine roll out, especially with the AZ one.

[Docca]

Be keen to hear how many of our MPs have been vaccinated already.

[Gedge]

I figure we can't be doing too badly otherwise there's be lots of comparisons to other countries who were doing better.

And if it is shape shifting lizard Old Etonions controlling it all they've decided not to out themselves in Scotland.

It would be good to hear how other countries are rolling out their vaccines.

FT did a piece about Germany which when I read it was not behind a paywall (so grabbed a copy) but now is, so quoted in full. (I'm not a FT subscriber).

Speaks for itself.

https://www.ft.com/content/c0ae3056-ac7 ... 84fd203f3b

The German government is facing awkward questions about why the country that developed the first approved Covid-19 vaccine has so few supplies of the jab, with vaccination rates in Germany lagging far behind the US, UK and Israel.

Jens Spahn, the health minister, pleaded with Germans to have patience. “Throughout the world, supplies of the vaccine are tight,” he told reporters on Wednesday. But he insisted that the situation would ease as more vaccines were approved.

Germans have been angered by statistics showing that more than 640,000 people have already received the Covid-19 jab in Israel, compared with only 78,000 in Germany. Rates of inoculation are also much higher in the UK, which started vaccinations earlier than the EU, and the US. Yet Germany is the home of BioNTech, which developed the Covid-19 vaccine together with Pfizer.

“Sometimes German politicians are so proud of themselves that they forget to learn from the best of the world,” said Marco Buschmann, an MP with the opposition Free Democrats, referring to Israel’s plan to vaccinate most of its population by the end of March.

German officials have complained that they are not receiving as many batches of the vaccine as promised from the central government. Dilek Kalayci, health minister for Berlin, said she had been told that a delivery of 29,250 doses scheduled to arrive in the first week of January had now been cancelled.

“That makes things very difficult for us because we had done all our planning on the basis of these commitments,” she told RBB radio. “I’m angry — the scarcity of the vaccine is a problem for the start of [the] vaccination campaign in Germany.” She said the capital had so far only received a total of 58,500 doses — enough for residents of care homes, but not for other risk groups.

The state of Brandenburg, which surrounds Berlin, also announced on Wednesday that it would not be receiving any consignments of vaccine in the first week of January.

Even before Germany officially began its vaccination campaign last weekend, some politicians, including the Bavarian prime minister Markus Söder, were warning of shortages of the vaccine. “What the government ordered is sufficient, but it’s taking time to produce it,” he said, warning: “People will be less willing to get vaccinated if they have to wait forever.”

Mr Spahn has said that Germany expects to receive more than 130m doses — from BioNTech/Pfizer and the US company Moderna. That would be enough to ensure that everyone who wants one can receive a Covid-19 vaccination next year.

But Germany’s ability to obtain more doses is constrained. As an EU member state, it is part of the EU-wide scheme for procuring and distributing the vaccine. Mr Spahn said Berlin had consciously decided to “take this European path”, which meant countries could not negotiate bilaterally with the vaccine-producers in parallel with the EU’s own scheme. Germany would, the minister added, buy up all doses that other European countries failed to claim from the EU contingent.

Another problem is that Germany put big bets on vaccines being developed by companies such as Sanofi and CureVac, which have so far failed to win regulatory approval. When those bets were being placed, no one knew which vaccine would be approved first, Mr Spahn said.

Mr Spahn said that by the summer, most people in Germany who wanted to be inoculated would have received the vaccine. However, others are more ambitious. After UK authorities approved the new vaccine developed by Oxford university and AstraZeneca on Wednesday, health secretary Matt Hancock said it meant the country would be able to exit the pandemic “by the spring”.

Interesting how quickly Israel have managed to get the vaccine out ..Shows how many the UK could do in a day if they get their act together ..

[Wreckless Rat]

Be keen to hear how many of our MPs have been vaccinated already.

That’s a no win for them though, if they have had them they are queue jumping, if not they are using the population as guinea pigs...

[irie]

Interesting how quickly Israel have managed to get the vaccine out ..Shows how many the UK could do in a day if they get their act together ..

I guess that it helps having 169,000 active personnel and 465,000 reserve personnel = 634,000 military personnel in a population of 8.6m.

[Taipan]

Be keen to hear how many of our MPs have been vaccinated already.

I'd imagine central Govt qualifies as essential/key workers?

[Saga Lout]

Be keen to hear how many of our MPs have been vaccinated already.

I'd imagine central Govt qualifies as essential/key workers?

And it makes sense to try a barely adequately tested new treatment on B Ark candidates first.

[irie]

Be keen to hear how many of our MPs have been vaccinated already.

I'd imagine central Govt qualifies as essential/key workers?

And it makes sense to try a barely adequately tested new treatment on B Ark candidates first.

Please explain in detail exactly what additional testing you believe should be performed in order for you to feel able to accept that this vaccine has been "adequately tested"?

Thanks.