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Apparently the Fuzz downloaded the info from @gremlin's bike

They could only do him for attempted speeding :D
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Yorick wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 5:18 pm
Trinity765 wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 5:06 pm
Rockburner wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 4:50 pm

I'd like to know the exact parameters that are used to define "hard acceleration" and "hard braking".
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Dunno. Not tested it in such a way as to find out and I haven't looked to see if that information is published. But it does recognise very childish behaviour.
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Nordboy wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 2:47 pm I've used someone's own GoPro video against themselves in court before. It had location and speed on the screen. Well, I say I used it, I disclosed that I was going to, and funnily enough, they changed their plea to 'guilty'. I wonder why?

Dashcam, you don't need anywhere near 10 minutes. A snippet is fine if it proves the offence.

You know that if Police ask for dashcam footage of vehicles driving prior to a serious collision etc, that there is probably a witness or some sort of allegation of crap driving and someone is probably very much at fault.

Bikes, like cars these days store pretty much everything, the police can apply, in certain circumstances to retrieve the information that was stored by the on board computers.
Mate’s son was killed in an RTC a fair number of years ago (possibly 10-15 years) and the police used data from the guilty party’s car as part of the evidence against him, he was banged up for eight years having been found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving.

The guilty party had apparently hit the 155mph (iirc) speed limiter on the BMW he was driving moments before he full on rear ended the other vehicle with catastrophic consequences.

So yes, I’m guessing the police can use data to convict but not sure whether the uncalibrated data could be used in isolation…
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I think anything's possible in a serious enough court case, as per SC's example.

For giving you three points they're not going to bother. If it's a really serious crime, they may do whatever necessary to gather sufficient evidence.
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Yorick wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 5:21 pm Apparently the Fuzz downloaded the info from @gremlin's bike

They could only do him for attempted speeding :D
Not true!

They also prosecuted for wasting police time.

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Rockburner wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 4:50 pm
Trinity765 wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 1:54 pm Additional info, the app I'm talking about it called Life360.

There are lots of benefits to the Gold membership I have including SOS. crash alerts, breakdown recovery blah blah but, the reason my biker friends like it is it gives you a drive/ride report each day which counts the number of times you accelerated hard, braked hard, exceeded 80mph for more than a few seconds etc. and comparing this data in the pub at the end of the day is fun.

It's also fun watching someone when they're lost.

But, as I say. I'd like to be able to answer any questions that I'm asked, particularly about the legalities.
I'd like to know the exact parameters that are used to define "hard acceleration" and "hard braking".
My wife took a long bus journey yesterday, life360 said she had 37 risky moments. Unless it understood the dangers of Brighton then bus driver must be really dodgy.
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Mussels wrote: Tue May 19, 2026 9:09 am
Rockburner wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 4:50 pm
Trinity765 wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 1:54 pm Additional info, the app I'm talking about it called Life360.

There are lots of benefits to the Gold membership I have including SOS. crash alerts, breakdown recovery blah blah but, the reason my biker friends like it is it gives you a drive/ride report each day which counts the number of times you accelerated hard, braked hard, exceeded 80mph for more than a few seconds etc. and comparing this data in the pub at the end of the day is fun.

It's also fun watching someone when they're lost.

But, as I say. I'd like to be able to answer any questions that I'm asked, particularly about the legalities.
I'd like to know the exact parameters that are used to define "hard acceleration" and "hard braking".
My wife took a long bus journey yesterday, life360 said she had 37 risky moments. Unless it understood the dangers of Brighton then bus driver must be really dodgy.
To be honest..... in my experience: bus drivers are raving lunatics.
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Rockburner wrote: Tue May 19, 2026 12:07 pm
Mussels wrote: Tue May 19, 2026 9:09 am
Rockburner wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 4:50 pm

I'd like to know the exact parameters that are used to define "hard acceleration" and "hard braking".
My wife took a long bus journey yesterday, life360 said she had 37 risky moments. Unless it understood the dangers of Brighton then bus driver must be really dodgy.
To be honest..... in my experience: bus drivers are raving lunatics.
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My Kwacker has an Event Data Recorder (EDR) fitted. In the event of an incident this can be sent to Kawasaki for downloading and it logs everything the bike is doing, throttle position, speed, gear, temps, lean angles, etc. So it may need the @KungFooBob treatment if I get caught doing something dodgy😂
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MingtheMerciless wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 10:47 am My Kwacker has an Event Data Recorder (EDR) fitted. In the event of an incident this can be sent to Kawasaki for downloading and it logs everything the bike is doing, throttle position, speed, gear, temps, lean angles, etc. So it may need the @KungFooBob treatment if I get caught doing something dodgy😂
It can't prove who was riding it :obscene-birdiedoublered:
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Yorick wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 12:00 pm
MingtheMerciless wrote: Sat May 30, 2026 10:47 am My Kwacker has an Event Data Recorder (EDR) fitted. In the event of an incident this can be sent to Kawasaki for downloading and it logs everything the bike is doing, throttle position, speed, gear, temps, lean angles, etc. So it may need the @KungFooBob treatment if I get caught doing something dodgy😂
It can't prove who was riding it :obscene-birdiedoublered:
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Rockburner wrote: Tue May 19, 2026 12:07 pm
Mussels wrote: Tue May 19, 2026 9:09 am
Rockburner wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 4:50 pm

I'd like to know the exact parameters that are used to define "hard acceleration" and "hard braking".
My wife took a long bus journey yesterday, life360 said she had 37 risky moments. Unless it understood the dangers of Brighton then bus driver must be really dodgy.
To be honest..... in my experience: bus drivers are raving lunatics.
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US:
Set the date on your phone one year behind as the statute of limitations is 12 months.
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