Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[ZRX61]

I guess that's why Dazzle said 'best selling car in the world' as there's a bit more of that than just USA.

Which is why I pointed out that F series aren't sold everywhere...I guess there's also more British owned vehicles in the UK than there are in El Salvador?

[ZRX61]

Most modern performance cars pipe fake engine noise into the cabin anyways.

They should do that with EVs just for Tiepin.

Explorer ST has that, it hides the injector rattle.

Sunday I took a look at a Ranger Raptor, was quite surprised at the (real) exhaust growl when it fired up. Then I found out it has 3 or 4 different noise levels available at the push of a button like an Aston Martin.

[Horse]

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesl ... 17713.html

Chinese automaker BYD has become the first in the world to unveil a commercial battery for electric vehicles that is capable of charging in roughly the same amount of time as it takes to fill up a fuel tank.

BYD’s new Super E-Platform offers 1,000kW charge speeds, which is four times quicker than the 250kW charging rates of Tesla superchargers.

... the flash-charging system will require specialist charging ports in order to achieve the most efficient charging times.

[Count Steer]

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesl ... 17713.html

Chinese automaker BYD has become the first in the world to unveil a commercial battery for electric vehicles that is capable of charging in roughly the same amount of time as it takes to fill up a fuel tank.

BYD’s new Super E-Platform offers 1,000kW charge speeds, which is four times quicker than the 250kW charging rates of Tesla superchargers.

... the flash-charging system will require specialist charging ports in order to achieve the most efficient charging times.

Be impressive when they can do it with a wireless charger.

(Wouldn't want to sit in the car during charging though!).

[Horse]

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesl ... 17713.html

Chinese automaker BYD has become the first in the world to unveil a commercial battery for electric vehicles that is capable of charging in roughly the same amount of time as it takes to fill up a fuel tank.

BYD’s new Super E-Platform offers 1,000kW charge speeds, which is four times quicker than the 250kW charging rates of Tesla superchargers.

... the flash-charging system will require specialist charging ports in order to achieve the most efficient charging times.

Be impressive when they can do it with a wireless charger.

(Wouldn't want to sit in the car during charging though!).

People often say that while their car is charging they go for a coffee and sandwich.

Are you suggesting a hot pie might be on the menu?

[Count Steer]

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesl ... 17713.html

Chinese automaker BYD has become the first in the world to unveil a commercial battery for electric vehicles that is capable of charging in roughly the same amount of time as it takes to fill up a fuel tank.

BYD’s new Super E-Platform offers 1,000kW charge speeds, which is four times quicker than the 250kW charging rates of Tesla superchargers.

... the flash-charging system will require specialist charging ports in order to achieve the most efficient charging times.

Be impressive when they can do it with a wireless charger.

(Wouldn't want to sit in the car during charging though!).

People often say that while their car is charging they go for a coffee and sandwich.

Are you suggesting a hot pie might be on the menu?

Useless factoid 97: In a rather random fashion the quoted 1,000kW got me wondering what the Joint European Torus consumed. 1000MW (at peak). That's more than the National Grid could provide so they built their own flywheel generators (9m rotors) and weighing something like 775 tonnes.

Won't take many cars pulling that sort of load to bring the grid to a standstill!

(I always thought Didcot power station was the power source).

[Mr. Dazzle]

Formula E does 600kW charging in the pitstops now.

[Horse]

Formula E does 600kW charging in the pitstops now.

Is that multiple vehicles concurrently, each at that rate?

[And do they have low-cost overnight tarifs? ]

[Mr. Dazzle]

They do them at predefined times. They get told when their stop is going to be, which doesn't cause any arguments whatsoever

My brother works on this a bit - he works in IT, but he's a senior infrastructure bod at the firm who make and run all the charging stuff, so he has to be on call during races to make sure their printers work and shit like that.

[MrLongbeard]

Are they still using a couple of great big Cummin's diesels (not burning diesel) as mobile power plants / generators?

[Mr. Dazzle]

Mixture, sometimes that, sometimes a shipping container full of battery packs on the grid.

If you're gonna try and point out hypocrisy, you should focus on the international logistics

[MrLongbeard]

If you're gonna try and point out hypocrisy, you should focus on the international logistics

The logistics of any international racing series are horrendous, but I wasn't trying to point out any hypocrisy, I saw a documentary on them many moons ago, how they'd been converted to run on a bio / engineered fuel that was all clean and that, I was wondering if they were still up to the job with the new fast charging.

[Taipan]

Whatever way you carve it up, electricity is still a secondary product!

[Mr. Dazzle]

And?

[Rockburner]

Whatever way you carve it up, electricity is still a secondary product!

So is petrol.


Unless you think you can simply pour the oil that spurts out of the ground into your car.....

[Mr. Dazzle]

Whatever way you carve it up, electricity is still a secondary product!

So is petrol.


Unless you think you can simply pour the oil that spurts out of the ground into your car.....

It's kinda irrelevant anyway.

It's something people who've seen a lot of facebook memes like to say, but with no further explanation Along with "you still need a powerstation to make electricity", even though it's been shown multiple times that running an EV on electricity solely from coal power stations is less polluting than petrol cars.

And in this country currently very very little of our leccy comes from coal. In fact the single biggest source of electricity in the UK last year was wind.

https://www.neso.energy/news/britains-e ... 024-review

[Dixiethedog]

[Taipan]

Whatever way you carve it up, electricity is still a secondary product!

So is petrol.


Unless you think you can simply pour the oil that spurts out of the ground into your car.....

I know but I'm not trying to assume some moral high ground like the pro leccy car people are. Cobalt mining makes fracking look like organic farming and is also well known for child slave labour. Plus we all know the horrific emissions coming out of the leccy battery producers such as China. There are loads of diesel powered generating stations for charging EVs too, I think even our local Amazon depot has, or had, one.

Its not that I'm against EVs, far from it, but the claims of its green qualifications are misleading at best. If the eco warriors want to impress me, start peddling around their 15 minute cities...

[demographic]

Whatever way you carve it up, electricity is still a secondary product!

So is petrol.


Unless you think you can simply pour the oil that spurts out of the ground into your car.....

I know but I'm not trying to assume some moral high ground like the pro leccy car people are. Cobalt mining makes fracking look like organic farming and is also well known for child slave labour. Plus we all know the horrific emissions coming out of the leccy battery producers such as China. There are loads of diesel powered generating stations for charging EVs too, I think even our local Amazon depot has, or had, one.

Its not that I'm against EVs, far from it, but the claims of its green qualifications are misleading at best. If the eco warriors want to impress me, start peddling around their 15 minute cities...

You do know that cobalt is used in oil refinarys don't you?

[Mr. Dazzle]

You do know that cobalt is used in oil refinarys don't you?

Shhhh

This another one of those "if it's obvious to YOU" scenarios where casual observers think they're the first to point it out. Reducing/removing the cobalt content in EVs is a major drive at the moment. Mostly 'cause it's expensive Next gen EVs won't have any.

Next gen ICE cars will still very much need oil.

No denying loads is used now though. Stop buying iPhones and cordless lawn mowers