Pfizer vaccine approved

[Horse]

Well the reason it came to their attention is because the trust have put out feelers to anyone and everyone who is first aid trained. They're going to police, fire, RNLI, public transport staff etc. trying to find people with formal first aid quals to train up.

See my earlier post (and a few days ago). SJA are emailing nationally. The commitment required, subject to qualification, is 3 days training, then a certain number of shifts each month.

[demographic]

If its our current administration sorting it out they'll contract it out to a private company of ratcatchers and they'll manage about a thousand in a month.

[Gedge]

There are around 7600 ( google fact) doctors surgeries , so ignoring purpose built vaccination sites

Our surgery does specific days for flu jabs. The actual jabs are done indoors, but they close the car park (about 30 cars sized), set up zig zag crush barriers and production line. The queue is about walking speed.

As you say, some places set up dedicated vaccination sites, there's one at Blackbushe airport.

I can foresee a switch from mass testing centres into mass vaccination centres ...the one I attended had around 10 ‘nurses’ overseeing the tests and I imagine a good proportion if those are already qualified to vaccinate ..I know police forces have been approached about first aid trained officers and retired officers that might be able to assist. Considering they do close on 2 million tests a week I don’t see a similar ( or larger) number of vaccinations a week .

30,000 ‘stabbers’ is not hard to envisage as thats only 4 stabbers per Doctors surgery ? If they did 50 each per day that’s 1.5 million a day !! with around 16 weeks until end of March even at 5 days a week that’s 120 million vaccinations ..enough for 2 for every uk adult before Easter ...even allowing for shortfalls that would easily achieve herd immunity by Easter ...in fact the only stumbling block as far as I can see isn’t capacity to administer it is in the production of the vaccine especially once the rest of Europe / rest of the worked starts demanding their ore ordered amounts ..

[Gedge]

If its our current administration sorting it out they'll contract it out to a private company of ratcatchers and they'll manage about a thousand in a month.

The same shonky ratcatchers that carried out 2.7 million coronavirus tests in the last 7 days .?

[millemille]

Not wanting to get involved in the name calling but instead thinking about the logistics of vaccination.

As far as I'm aware all of the vaccines that are approved, or appear credible and likely to be approved, need two injections several weeks apart?

Let's say - and it's stretch - that 100,000 people per day can be vaccinated, which means that after 3 weeks from day 1 of the vaccination program 200,000 injections per day need to be administered, then you are still looking at it taking at least 500 days to immunise enough of the population for herd immunity to be realised.

And that's working 7 days a week, 365 days a year at that capacity.....

I'd say that's a very optimistic figure. But don't forget, let's say 25% of them are under 20, therefore you do them last.

I’m Not following the maths ?

100,000 per day is 2.1 million in 3 weeks which would equate to 10 million by end of March .. There are around 7600 ( google fact) doctors surgeries , so ignoring purpose built vaccination sites and hospitals let alone pharmacies so if each surgery did 15 vaccinations a day that would easily be 100,000 a day ...in reality vaccination centres and hospitals re likely to do many tens if thousands more a day ( test centre already do hundreds of thousands of covid tests which I reckon would take longer than a vaccination )

You need 2 injections to immunise a person, spaced 3 weeks apart, so after the initial 3 weeks of injecting for no net result the productivity of the system (injections administered vs. immunisation achieved) is 0.5.

200,000 injections a day gives you 100,000 immunised people per day. 1 million is 10 days and we need, it appears, somewhere between 60 and 75% of the population immunised to achieve herd immunity. Worst case this means 50 million people need to be immune, but the vaccines appear to have 90% - or thereabouts - efficacy so you need to immunise 55 million or thereabouts to be sure. 550 days of non-stop vaccination at 200,000 injections per day on average to achieve this.

While the test centres do have a high throughput of tests bare in mind they are doing very little other than acting as hand out/collection points for the tests - which are largely self administered - and paperwork and that the test centres do not process the samples. The processing of the samples is done in industrial laboratories and is highly automated and done in large batches, not something you can do when administering injections.

We can't be in a situation where immunisation comes at the expense of all else, in terms of health service provision. We're already in the position where COVID has impacted upon the NHS's ability to do its day job and lives have/will be lost - to what extent is unclear - as a result. So can the existing infrastructure be asked to accommodate such a massive undertaking or does new need to be created?

The problem I foresee, although I may well be wrong, is that vaccination is going to rely on several different "brands" of vaccine and everyone will have to be given the correct pair of injections and, from the limited exposure I've had to NHS IT and record integrity/stability through my wife's past jobs as a hospice nurse, I don't think the existing NHS medical record system is up to administering 152 million new records/entries in a way that absolutely 100% guarantees everyone gets the correct injection at the correct time. So I can't see every GP surgery being capable of administering vaccinations because the record keeping/access won't allow it. The vaccination process will rely on a different IT system I would presume.

But of course I could be talking out of my hoop and the government has got it all planned and under control and it'll be a cinch....

[demographic]

If its our current administration sorting it out they'll contract it out to a private company of ratcatchers and they'll manage about a thousand in a month.

The same shonky ratcatchers that carried out 2.7 million coronavirus tests in the last 7 days .?

I was thinking more of the ones who got paid millions for substandard PPE.
You know, the party donor ones who never even produced PPE in the first place.

[irie]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

[Yorick]

Think of a big number. Add on all the nurses in the UK. Multiply by your house number. Then multiply by the month of your birthday.

That's the answer

[demographic]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

Is that recently now that Covid is about? Will it have slowed down the amount she can do due to PPE or social distancing? I assume it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine*

*An example where someone has the vaccine for the greater good.

[millemille]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

I can foresee that the admin will be a lot more complicated/rigorous to ensure that the recipient is getting the correct injection because I can't see that the individual vaccines will have been tested for reactions when combined with each other....

[Mr. Dazzle]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

I can foresee that the admin will be a lot more complicated/rigorous to ensure that the recipient is getting the correct injection because I can't see that the individual vaccines will have been tested for reactions when combined with each other....

Red biro for one, blue for the other!

Reminds me of when I had eye surgery, they drew a sharpie arrow on my forehead pointing at the relevant eye

[The Martian]

We shouldn't tackle the COVID crisis effectively until people stop getting drunk and smoking?

Fuck that, they're the only things that have kept me sane* this year!


*only relative to how I usually am, of course

[Saga Lout]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

Is that recently now that Covid is about? Will it have slowed down the amount she can do due to PPE or social distancing? I assume it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine*

*An example where someone has the vaccine for the greater good.

Did you read what you wrote? "... it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine." I.e. she has the vaccine so that she doesn't become infected.

[demographic]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

Is that recently now that Covid is about? Will it have slowed down the amount she can do due to PPE or social distancing? I assume it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine*

*An example where someone has the vaccine for the greater good.

Did you read what you wrote? "... it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine." I.e. she has the vaccine so that she doesn't become infected.

Err, coming into close contact with a hundred or more people per day increases her risk.
If she has the vaccine herself then it wont.

Was that hard for you to understand or are you just being obtuse?

[KungFooBob]

[Saga Lout]

Err, coming into close contact with a hundred or more people per day increases her risk.
If she has the vaccine herself then it wont.

Was that hard for you to understand or are you just being obtuse?

So she has the vaccine to protect herself. A side effect is that it also protects the hundred people she comes into contact with but the reason she has the vaccine is to protect herself.

Was that hard for you to understand or are you just being obtuse?

[demographic]

Or possibly she has the vaccine so she can do her job of helping others.

Deffo more than 90 but less than 180.

[wheelnut]

I think the biggest issue won’t be so much in administering the vaccine, it will be getting hold of it to administer. It’s a global market and all countries will be clamouring for it. I would imagine it will be produced under license in different countries, but the manufacturing facilities still need to be built and staffed so production can be ramped up to cope with demand.

[irie]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

Is that recently now that Covid is about? Will it have slowed down the amount she can do due to PPE or social distancing? I assume it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine*

*An example where someone has the vaccine for the greater good.

She has her own health company and does flu jabs for her clients every year, and this year was wearing ppe.

She won't be doing any Covid-19 jabs. Perhaps next year the flu and covid jabs will be combined, we shall see.

[irie]

FYI: Mrs irie says she can do about 110 jabs a day*, that includes checking identity, disclosure etc.

* that's flu jabs, assume C19 would be no more complicated.

Is that recently now that Covid is about? Will it have slowed down the amount she can do due to PPE or social distancing? I assume it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine*

*An example where someone has the vaccine for the greater good.

Did you read what you wrote? "... it also increases her risk of getting covid unless she has the vaccine." I.e. she has the vaccine so that she doesn't become infected.

You evidently do not understand how vaccines work.