Pfizer vaccine approved

[Mr. Dazzle]

Suppositories it is!

[moth]

Maybe the anti-vax types are just scared of needles?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55175483

[DefTrap]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55175483

This is probably one of the numerous reasons such a relative few give blood

[Skub]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55175483

This is probably one of the numerous reasons such a relative few give blood

Undoubtably.

I've been donating since I was an apprentice and it always surprised me how many of the big rufty tufty shop floor workers shit the breeks at the very thought of a needle. Only 4% of the populace get their arm emptied and most of those are over age 40.

I only started to skive off work for an hour!

[Mr. Dazzle]

I'm about to hit my 30th session, but I only do it for the free crisps.

But you're right, I've asked loads of my acquaintances to consider donating. Needle fear is by far the most common reason people don't.

[Horse]

I'm about to hit my 30th session, but I only do it for the free crisps.

But you're right, I've asked loads of my acquaintances to consider donating. Needle fear is by far the most common reason people don't.

Perhaps they should train spiders to do the stabbing - that'd put even more off

(says Mr Smug, with his gold badge tucked away somewhere)

[DefTrap]

I'm about to hit my 30th session, but I only do it for the free crisps.

But you're right, I've asked loads of my acquaintances to consider donating. Needle fear is by far the most common reason people don't.

The nought-ies were bloody poor for blood-donation freebies - they had some really poor biscuits at the tea table and no crisps. In the 90s they used to give you Club biscuits. And you got regular medals!

I've seen a fair few people have a right old nightmare giving blood over the years - one of the main reasons I still go, the process genuinely doesn't bother me, if it means someone who is genuinely frit doesn't have to then that's all good.

[Mr. Dazzle]

You get Seabrook Crisps, literally the only place down south I see 'em.

Keyrings are a thing of the past though. Even a sticker is a bit of an ask now. I got my 25 pin however!

[Skub]

Fucking crisps?

I've got up to 83 and only been offered bikkies.

[millemille]

Not wanting to get involved in the name calling but instead thinking about the logistics of vaccination.

As far as I'm aware all of the vaccines that are approved, or appear credible and likely to be approved, need two injections several weeks apart?

Let's say - and it's stretch - that 100,000 people per day can be vaccinated, which means that after 3 weeks from day 1 of the vaccination program 200,000 injections per day need to be administered, then you are still looking at it taking at least 500 days to immunise enough of the population for herd immunity to be realised.

And that's working 7 days a week, 365 days a year at that capacity.....

[weeksy]

Not wanting to get involved in the name calling but instead thinking about the logistics of vaccination.

As far as I'm aware all of the vaccines that are approved, or appear credible and likely to be approved, need two injections several weeks apart?

Let's say - and it's stretch - that 100,000 people per day can be vaccinated, which means that after 3 weeks from day 1 of the vaccination program 200,000 injections per day need to be administered, then you are still looking at it taking at least 500 days to immunise enough of the population for herd immunity to be realised.

And that's working 7 days a week, 365 days a year at that capacity.....

I'd say that's a very optimistic figure. But don't forget, let's say 25% of them are under 20, therefore you do them last.

[moth]

Not wanting to get involved in the name calling but instead thinking about the logistics of vaccination.

As far as I'm aware all of the vaccines that are approved, or appear credible and likely to be approved, need two injections several weeks apart?

Let's say - and it's stretch - that 100,000 people per day can be vaccinated, which means that after 3 weeks from day 1 of the vaccination program 200,000 injections per day need to be administered, then you are still looking at it taking at least 500 days to immunise enough of the population for herd immunity to be realised.

And that's working 7 days a week, 365 days a year at that capacity.....

I'd say that's a very optimistic figure. But don't forget, let's say 25% of them are under 20, therefore you do them last.

You can discount the ones screaming 'it's an infringement of my rights' too. That should get it down to manageable numbers if this thread's any indication

[Mr. Dazzle]

I've been thinking along similar lines to mm, but I came unstuck on estimating how many people you can vaccinate every day!

We already do flu vacs every year and the aforementioned blood donation must he a fair number of jabs.

They managed to sort of magic up 100,000 tests a day...

Really not sure!

[millemille]

I've been thinking along similar lines to mm, but I came unstuck on estimating how many people you can vaccinate every day!

We already do flu vacs every year and the aforementioned blood donation must he a fair number of jabs.

They managed to sort of magic up 100,000 tests a day...

Really not sure!

I'd say that each injection would take 10 minutes to administer, not the jab itself but the admin to check the recipient's identity and log it and check the ampule and do some kind of data entry and cleaning down after each patient etc., so to administer 200,000 injections in a 12 hour day you'd need about 3,000 people nationwide just stabbing people.....

[Horse]

I'd say that each injection would take 10 minutes to administer, not the jab itself but the admin to check the recipient's identity and log it and check the ampule and do some kind of data entry and cleaning down after each patient etc., so to administer 200,000 injections in a 12 hour day you'd need about 3,000 people nationwide just stabbing people.....

Recruitment is underway. St John Ambulance have contacted everyone with a First Aid at Work qualification
and is on their contact list. Presumably their other suitable volunteers.

[Gedge]

Not wanting to get involved in the name calling but instead thinking about the logistics of vaccination.

As far as I'm aware all of the vaccines that are approved, or appear credible and likely to be approved, need two injections several weeks apart?

Let's say - and it's stretch - that 100,000 people per day can be vaccinated, which means that after 3 weeks from day 1 of the vaccination program 200,000 injections per day need to be administered, then you are still looking at it taking at least 500 days to immunise enough of the population for herd immunity to be realised.

And that's working 7 days a week, 365 days a year at that capacity.....

I'd say that's a very optimistic figure. But don't forget, let's say 25% of them are under 20, therefore you do them last.

I’m Not following the maths ?

100,000 per day is 2.1 million in 3 weeks which would equate to 10 million by end of March .. There are around 7600 ( google fact) doctors surgeries , so ignoring purpose built vaccination sites and hospitals let alone pharmacies so if each surgery did 15 vaccinations a day that would easily be 100,000 a day ...in reality vaccination centres and hospitals re likely to do many tens if thousands more a day ( test centre already do hundreds of thousands of covid tests which I reckon would take longer than a vaccination )

[Mr. Dazzle]

I've been thinking along similar lines to mm, but I came unstuck on estimating how many people you can vaccinate every day!

We already do flu vacs every year and the aforementioned blood donation must he a fair number of jabs.

They managed to sort of magic up 100,000 tests a day...

Really not sure!

I'd say that each injection would take 10 minutes to administer, not the jab itself but the admin to check the recipient's identity and log it and check the ampule and do some kind of data entry and cleaning down after each patient etc., so to administer 200,000 injections in a 12 hour day you'd need about 3,000 people nationwide just stabbing people.....

For ref...as I mentioned before my rents both volunteer at their local hospital. That one hospital has vacancies for 600 stabbers. In one hospital.

Edit : I would guess that 600 is actually for the trust. According to the news there are 53 such trusts, so you're looking at ~30,000 stabbers if they're all similarly manned. If each of them can do 6 an hour that'd be 48 for every 8 hour shift....which is more than a 1.5 million a day for all of them combined.

I suspect the true figure would be less than 1.5 million a day but considerably more than the 100,000 mooted.

[millemille]

I've been thinking along similar lines to mm, but I came unstuck on estimating how many people you can vaccinate every day!

We already do flu vacs every year and the aforementioned blood donation must he a fair number of jabs.

They managed to sort of magic up 100,000 tests a day...

Really not sure!

I'd say that each injection would take 10 minutes to administer, not the jab itself but the admin to check the recipient's identity and log it and check the ampule and do some kind of data entry and cleaning down after each patient etc., so to administer 200,000 injections in a 12 hour day you'd need about 3,000 people nationwide just stabbing people.....

For ref...as I mentioned before my rents both volunteer at their local hospital. That one hospital has vacancies for 600 stabbers. In one hospital.

600 stabbers (I like that description) in a pool means that over a 12hr/7 day period on any one day there'd be about 250 stabbers on duty. So you'd need
another 11 centres like that. That sounds plausible, in terms of vaccination centres around the UK, but is it plausible to find that many stabbers per hospital?

[Mr. Dazzle]

600 stabbers (I like that description) in a pool means that over a 12hr/7 day period on any one day there'd be about 250 stabbers on duty. So you'd need
another 11 centres like that. That sounds plausible, in terms of vaccination centres around the UK, but is it plausible to find that many stabbers per hospital?

Well the reason it came to their attention is because the trust have put out feelers to anyone and everyone who is first aid trained. They're going to police, fire, RNLI, public transport staff etc. trying to find people with formal first aid quals to train up.

[Horse]

There are around 7600 ( google fact) doctors surgeries , so ignoring purpose built vaccination sites

Our surgery does specific days for flu jabs. The actual jabs are done indoors, but they close the car park (about 30 cars sized), set up zig zag crush barriers and production line. The queue is about walking speed.

As you say, some places set up dedicated vaccination sites, there's one at Blackbushe airport.