Pfizer vaccine approved

[Gedge]

It does feel like the final fuck you from a departing generation that burned the world doesn't it?

I think the sacrifice made by young people is the biggest sacrifice made by any generation since WW2.

Their education disrupted, their chances of jobs for the ones leaving school, their higher qualifications, their social lives at a crucial point in their lives, the loss of jobs at the start of their careers, the loss of businesses that young people took a chance on, lives ruined before they even got started properly, etc, etc.

My boy lost his apprenticeship over it, my daughter lost a job.
The likelihood of them dying from covid is less than them being eaten by a shark but their generation has born the brunt.

I hope the boomers are grateful for their sacrifice.

Grateful? We didn’t ask them to make any sacrifice ..if they had left the student union bar and voted there might be a different government ( although I doubt the lockdown and it’s effects would be any different) ..or they could do what they have been doing all along and ignore the rules the rest of society were following thereby extending the restrictions and increasing the spread of the virus ..

[Greenman]

Anticipated is a more suitable word.
I anticipate that young care workers will be given no choice about taking the vaccine if they want to keep their jobs.

What do you think?

I think you're right, I also think the number who'll genuinely object could be counted on one hand. I can't see that many of them would need to be coerced.

So if you want that as some kind of "aha, gotcha!" evidence that young people are being forced againt their will to take experimental drugs, go ahead. It wouldn't really do much to change my assessment.

Because you have been brainwashed by 'the man' and you think everyone else is wrong?

[Le_Fromage_Grande]

It does feel like the final fuck you from a departing generation that burned the world doesn't it?

I think the sacrifice made by young people is the biggest sacrifice made by any generation since WW2.

Their education disrupted, their chances of jobs for the ones leaving school, their higher qualifications, their social lives at a crucial point in their lives, the loss of jobs at the start of their careers, the loss of businesses that young people took a chance on, lives ruined before they even got started properly, etc, etc.

My boy lost his apprenticeship over it, my daughter lost a job.
The likelihood of them dying from covid is less than them being eaten by a shark but their generation has born the brunt.

I hope the boomers are grateful for their sacrifice.

Grateful? We didn’t ask them to make any sacrifice ..if they had left the student union bar and voted there might be a different government ( although I doubt the lockdown and it’s effects would be any different) ..or they could do what they have been doing all along and ignore the rules the rest of society were following thereby extending the restrictions and increasing the spread of the virus ..

Voice of the boomers speaks and says it all.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Because you have been brainwashed by 'the man' and you think everyone else is wrong?

Everyone except our glorious leader, yes.

[Greenman]

So we agree that some people may not want to take it, but they will under duress to enable them to keep their job and pay check.

Thats ALL my point was and I was right - how fucking difficult was it to move you to agree that point.

You know in some care homes being vaccinated against things like flu is already a compulsory requirement...

And under the circumstances seems a fairly reasonable request to me.

You can't work with high risk patients if you don't take it. I see that as common sense

It's common sense to you that we potentially force good qualified people out of a job we desperately need them in just because they have made the choice to vaccine their own?

Strange.

If the gov force this upon us and put restrictions on travel, nightlife etc there will be riots and i will right at the front.

[Mr. Dazzle]

OK so thibk of it this way greeny....

Would you be OK with a surgeon operating on you without washing their hands first?

How about something simpler...buying food from a restaurant that didn't wash it's plates between meals? How about one where they just lick the plates clean?

It's their choice after all.

As for forcing qualified people out of jobs. If they have any sort of medical or care experience and qualifications they'll know why they should be taking it. It really is a non issue IMO.

[Yorick]

If I was in hospital with serious problems, and there were 2 available nurses. One with the jab and one without. Guess which I would pick

The one with the biggest tits?

I go private. They all have nice tits

[moth]

moronic whataboutism.

[DefTrap]

You need to do a bit of research, there are lots of drugs that pass trials and then go on to kill people through no-error prescribing.

Seems a bit vague. Are you thinking of anything specific from reasonably recent history? Nothing is 100% safe but it tends to be pretty close.

As far as drugs trials go, the most recent horror-show debacle I can recall is the Parexel mess from a few years back.

[Greenman]

OK so thibk of it this way greeny....

Would you be OK with a surgeon operating on you without washing their hands first?

How about something simpler...buying food from a restaurant that didn't wash it's plates between meals? How about one where they just lick the plates clean?

It's their choice after all.

As for forcing qualified people out of jobs. If they have any sort of medical or care experience and qualifications they'll know why they should be taking it. It really is a non issue IMO.

Of course not but that's a bad analogy as.....

Do they have to show they have washed their hands before attending the theatre?

Do they have to show they have washed their hands when they attend festivals, nightclubs or go on a plane?

Do they have to prove they have had the flu vaccine before leaving the country?

No, they use their common sense to do their job to the best of their professional ability, just like i am using my common sense to not have the vaccine, it really is that simple IMO.

If laws are imposed onto non-vaxxers then that is a mandatory vaccine no matter how you look at it, vax or don't have a life.

[Mr. Dazzle]

If laws are imposed onto non-vaxxers then that is a mandatory vaccine no matter how you look at it, vax or don't have a life.

Its not gonna come to that...how would they even know who has and hasn't been vaccinated?

Besides, I think people are deluding themselves a bit about how many restrictions they currently live under and how much it effects them.

On the one hand you've got loads of restrictions you don't even quibble with. Driving, owning explosives, clubbing dogs....all a bit restricted.

And on the other people can ignore em anyway. Where you getting all that weed from greenie for example?

[DefTrap]

A few words thrown into a Google search throws up enough to keep you busy for a while.

Pffft. Come up with your own list you lazy twat.
I'll pass.

[Greenman]

If laws are imposed onto non-vaxxers then that is a mandatory vaccine no matter how you look at it, vax or don't have a life.

Its not gonna come to that...how would they even know who has and hasn't been vaccinated?

Besides, I think people are deluding themselves a bit about how many restrictions they currently live under and how much it effects them.

On the one hand you've got loads of restrictions you don't even quibble with. Driving, owning explosives, clubbing dogs....all a bit restricted.

And on the other people can ignore em anyway. Where you getting all that weed from greenie for example?

I think there is a big difference between an accepted law saying you cannot grow illegal drugs, to a law that says i cannot go down the local park and dance with my mates or drink in a pub.

[Wreckless Rat]

If laws are imposed onto non-vaxxers then that is a mandatory vaccine no matter how you look at it, vax or don't have a life.

Its not gonna come to that...how would they even know who has and hasn't been vaccinated?

Besides, I think people are deluding themselves a bit about how many restrictions they currently live under and how much it effects them.

On the one hand you've got loads of restrictions you don't even quibble with. Driving, owning explosives, clubbing dogs....all a bit restricted.

And on the other people can ignore em anyway. Where you getting all that weed from greenie for example?

I think there is a big difference between an accepted law saying you cannot grow illegal drugs, to a law that says i cannot go down the local park and dance with my mates or drink in a pub.

You know, I'm reasonably non-plus about it all, I think people should have it, but it IS up to them, but the more you squeal, the more i like the idea of you not even being allowed out of your front door.

[Nidge]

But Greenie, the people running that pub you (and most of us) are desperate to get back to are hoping that enough people will take the vaccine so that their industry can start to return to normal

[moth]

I think there is a big difference between an accepted law saying you cannot grow illegal drugs, to a law that says i cannot go down the local park and dance with my mates or drink in a pub.

And what is the practical difference between an 'accepted law' and a 'law'? No law is universally accepted, that's why we have police, prisons, and once upon a time capital punishment.

[Saga Lout]

If a disease came along that 90% only affected millennials, do you think the boomers would have stopped the world to help you?

The average age of MPs, the people who "stopped the world" was 51 after the last election, so 52 now. Not boomers by any stretch of the imagination.

This "boomer" has been saying it was a mistake since about the middle of April when it became clear that the virus disproportionately affects old gits.

[Saga Lout]

Its not gonna come to that...how would they even know who has and hasn't been vaccinated?

You haven't heard? They'll have "666" tattooed on their foreheads.

[DefTrap]

or drink in a pub.

Common law I think. Publicans can do what they want, within the confines of other laws that may discriminate.
I doubt this is a discrimination issue.

Maybe pubs could have 'infected areas'? Outside, well-ventilated and far enough away from the healthy that we don't have to breathe in their disgusting fumes.?

[KungFooBob]

Maybe the anti-vax types are just scared of needles?