Harry wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:58 am
You’re wasting your time though, the elderly scaredy-cats here are frit of dying and they’ll bathe in the blood of virgins if they think it will stretch out their wretched existence an extra fortnight - so you managing to get to a pleasant gathering of young people enjoying themselves is unlikely until the pox is cured or they’ve all snuffed it.
If your goal is to just become a caricature then you’re succeeding.
His goal is to become the same trolling, baiting Harry he was on TRC. I'd say that he's succeeded.
irie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:59 pmOh, you mean like I remember that some time ago SL had a serious blood disorder of some sort that took quite a lot of hospital/medical resources to diagnose and treat? I seem to recall that was at Addenbrooke hospital, but I could be wrong. Either way, unless SL was entirely self financing, which I very much doubt, his treatment was paid for by taxes paid by others for "the general good". I smell SL hypocrisy.
You mean all those National Insurance premiums I paid during my working life were for nothing? I thought that's what insurance was for.
They're not for nothing, but if I recall correctly they will have counted for little in relation to the cost of the course of intensive treatment you received. You do, of course, know full well that NI payments are not invested in a fund for your benefit, they are instead a form of tax levied as general taxation for contemporaneous use. Nice try, but fail.
It's insurance. Your insurance premiums aren't invested in a fund solely for your benefit. You pay your £500 (?) each year and if you write your car off, burn your house down, crash your bike, the insurance company buys you a new car, house or bike whether you've paid one premium or 50 premiums. That's how insurance works, it spreads the risk.
irie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:53 amSo back to the key point ...
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:27 am
Other people don't protect me against flu, those who have the flu vaccine do so to protect themselves.
"Other people" have vaccines both to protect themselves and to protect others through herd/community immunity. You will undoubtedly have benefitted from the latter throughout your life.
"Other people" get themselves vaccinated to protect themselves. Those of you with children didn't allow your own children to have the MMR vaccine to protect other people's children from measles, mumps and rubella, did you? Herd immunity is a happy by product but it's not the reason.
Body armour is there to protect the whole team, I could be talking out my arse as I’ve never been in the army, but it would make sense that if someone chooses not to wear body armour then his mates would be pretty pissed at him as he puts the whole team at risk as they have to put themselves at risk recovering his dead or injured body.
You’ve chosen quite a good analogy, it just works against your opinion.
I didn't choose the analogy. The first P in PPE stands for "personal". It's to protect the individual. A long way second is to help the team to do its job but its primary purpose is to protect the individual. A cricketer's box doesn't protect the whole team's cock and balls, does it?
If it was all about ‘ personal’ companies would just get you to sign a disclaimer and leave you to it ..fact is health and safety is a company responsibility and that’s why they issue it, and also why they insist that you use it when working ..
Health and safety is a legal requirement, that's why companies take it seriously. It costs them money if they don't.
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:48 am
Those of you with children didn't allow your own children to have the MMR vaccine to protect other people's children from measles, mumps and rubella, did you?
I feel like this super amazing ability to determine other people's motives with such certainty is wasted here. Go forth and spread your powers for the good of mankind!
I didn't choose the analogy. The first P in PPE stands for "personal". It's to protect the individual. A long way second is to help the team to do its job but its primary purpose is to protect the individual. A cricketer's box doesn't protect the whole team's cock and balls, does it?
If it was all about ‘ personal’ companies would just get you to sign a disclaimer and leave you to it ..fact is health and safety is a company responsibility and that’s why they issue it, and also why they insist that you use it when working ..
Health and safety is a legal requirement, that's why companies take it seriously. It costs them money if they don't.
My point exactly ...nothing (much) to do with them caring about YOU just covering their group arses .... They require you to have it because they don’t trust you to buy it or use it yourself unless it’s mandated ..
How many builders would wear steelies and hard hats if they weren’t legally / contractually required ? Trainers would be the norm because ‘ I’m not stupid and don’t need to be told not to drop things on my head or feet ‘ ..
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:30 am
You mean all those National Insurance premiums I paid during my working life were for nothing? I thought that's what insurance was for.
They're not for nothing, but if I recall correctly they will have counted for little in relation to the cost of the course of intensive treatment you received. You do, of course, know full well that NI payments are not invested in a fund for your benefit, they are instead a form of tax levied as general taxation for contemporaneous use. Nice try, but fail.
It's insurance. Your insurance premiums aren't invested in a fund solely for your benefit. You pay your £500 (?) each year and if you write your car off, burn your house down, crash your bike, the insurance company buys you a new car, house or bike whether you've paid one premium or 50 premiums. That's how insurance works, it spreads the risk.
NI is a direct tax, it is insurance only by name.
irie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:53 amSo back to the key point ...
"Other people" have vaccines both to protect themselves and to protect others through herd/community immunity. You will undoubtedly have benefitted from the latter throughout your life.
Saga Lout wrote:
"Other people" get themselves vaccinated to protect themselves. Those of you with children didn't allow your own children to have the MMR vaccine to protect other people's children from measles, mumps and rubella, did you? Herd immunity is a happy by product but it's not the reason.
As said previously, it is part of the reason.
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people." - Giordano Bruno
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:48 am
Those of you with children didn't allow your own children to have the MMR vaccine to protect other people's children from measles, mumps and rubella, did you?
I feel like this super amazing ability to determine other people's motives with such certainty is wasted here. Go forth and spread your powers for the good of mankind!
Oh....right....
As you were then
Maybe I'm mistaken, let's find out.
Did any of you have your children vaccinated in order to protect your neighbours' brats?
Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:48 am
Those of you with children didn't allow your own children to have the MMR vaccine to protect other people's children from measles, mumps and rubella, did you?
I feel like this super amazing ability to determine other people's motives with such certainty is wasted here. Go forth and spread your powers for the good of mankind!
Oh....right....
As you were then
Maybe I'm mistaken, let's find out.
Did any of you have your children vaccinated in order to protect your neighbours' brats?
Specifically and directly no, but as part of a belief that all society benefited from the eradication or limitation of disease ? Absolutely ...
I did. As irie said, people can have more than one reason*.
As above, I will have the Covid 19 jab if asked/offered. ISTR reading that I have more chance of dying in a shark attack than I do from Covid 19 - or something else equally absurd - but I'll still get jabbed to play my part.
I get it, you're a naturally cynical person, that much has been obvious for a long time. That doesn't mean everyone is.
*yes feel free to post "aha! So you did it to protect her, told you so"
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
Greenman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
Just throwing this out there:
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
If not, why not?
I have no desire to have the effects of being a paranoid fucked up stoner.
Greenman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
Just throwing this out there:
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
If not, why not?
I have no desire to have the effects of being a paranoid fucked up stoner.
What if it was just CBD that had no psychoactive effects?
Greenman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
Just throwing this out there:
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
If not, why not?
I have no desire to have the effects of being a paranoid fucked up stoner.
What if it was just CBD that had no psychoactive effects?
What would be the point, i.e. why would I be taking it?
Greenman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
Just throwing this out there:
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
If not, why not?
I have no desire to have the effects of being a paranoid fucked up stoner.
What if it was just CBD that had no psychoactive effects?
You'll have to educate me as to why I'd take it then? As a painkiller?
I'm not a regular drug users, but if I was offered it at a house party, I'd have a puff. Hell, if I was offered a line or some molly I'd probably partake.
Greenman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
Just throwing this out there:
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
If not, why not?
I'm unlikely to take any drugs i don't need There are thousands of drugs approved for medicinal use (not sure where the UN comes into it) but I'm not taking them at random am I?
Greenman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
Just throwing this out there:
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
If not, why not?
I've consumed nearly every illegal drugs around, made by some dodgy chemist in god knows where. I'm probably not going to give the answer you want....
Greenman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:57 am
Just throwing this out there:
If you were out at a friends house and were offered some drugs, for arguments sake let's say it was cannabis, a drug that has just been made a medicinal drug by the UN, would you partake?
If not, why not?
Are you about to suggest a similarity to taking a vaccine? Because if you are, You of all people cautioning against taking untested ‘medicines’ is fucking laughable ...
As for knowing the constituents etc? I don’t even know what chemicals make up paracetamol but the fact it is tested and licensed gives me the confidence to take it ...I am aware too that taking too many or taking them with some other drugs can cause problems but it’s such a small issue it’s worth it ..
