Pfizer vaccine approved

[weeksy]

I’m not really inclined to argue about the argument - Weeksy will have a fit

I've been out riding all day, I'm now in the bath drinking cider, I couldn't give a flying toss what you all post on this thread

[Saga Lout]

Isn't the overall aim to protect democracy, the free world, or summat? Sometimes including locals, other times a beleaguered nation, other times the western world?

No, vaccination of our armed forces going overseas is not for any of that.

HTH.

If we send squaddies abroad, presumably we wish them to achieve the key objective? Part of that is to provide them with kit, training, supplies, etc. And part of that is vaccination.

So, yes, it is part of protecting the free world, etc.

The vaccination is to protect the soldier who's vaccinated. You know, like the body armour protects his body, the boots protect his feet, the helmet protects his head and so on.

[slowsider]

No, vaccination of our armed forces going overseas is not for any of that.

HTH.

If we send squaddies abroad, presumably we wish them to achieve the key objective? Part of that is to provide them with kit, training, supplies, etc. And part of that is vaccination.

So, yes, it is part of protecting the free world, etc.

The vaccination is to protect the soldier who's vaccinated. You know, like the body armour protects his body, the boots protect his feet, the helmet protects his head and so on.

And his comrades. Don't forget that. Soldiers don't fight for their country, apparently, they fight for their mates. Be a shame to give them a communicable disease at the same time.

[Greenman]

AS I KEEP SAYING, THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT ALREADY HAVE COMPULSORY OR CONDITIONAL VACCINATION PROGRAMMES.

Yes but do we want to be one?

It's all fine referring to other countries policies until those policies impact directly on your life.

As i have stated earlier, we all need to make our own decisions on what we want to do moving forward with this life with covid, if it continues like it is young people cannot just be expected to do nothing, there is going to be a time soon when we have to say no and make our own decisions, if the law restricts that then we are going to see riots and more divisions between society and if you support the law's they are imposing on us then you need to accept the fact that the life you live is not going to be as rosy as it is now!

People need to unite, except we don't all live the same life with the same goal and forget to just fucking live, so we have to argue about how to live!

[wheelnut]

The vaccination is to protect the soldier who's vaccinated. You know, like the body armour protects his body, the boots protect his feet, the helmet protects his head and so on.

Body armour is there to protect the whole team, I could be talking out my arse as I’ve never been in the army, but it would make sense that if someone chooses not to wear body armour then his mates would be pretty pissed at him as he puts the whole team at risk as they have to put themselves at risk recovering his dead or injured body.

You’ve chosen quite a good analogy, it just works against your opinion.

[Horse]

The vaccination is to protect the soldier who's vaccinated. You know, like the body armour protects his body, the boots protect his feet, the helmet protects his head and so on.

If a squaddie gets sick (or injured) in any way, it will take a whole raft of resources to care for them.

And the whole point of them being there at all is to succeed. So whether it's better training, kit, vaccinations, whatever, it's all towards achieving that aim.

[Saga Lout]

The vaccination is to protect the soldier who's vaccinated. You know, like the body armour protects his body, the boots protect his feet, the helmet protects his head and so on.

Body armour is there to protect the whole team, I could be talking out my arse as I’ve never been in the army, but it would make sense that if someone chooses not to wear body armour then his mates would be pretty pissed at him as he puts the whole team at risk as they have to put themselves at risk recovering his dead or injured body.

You’ve chosen quite a good analogy, it just works against your opinion.

I didn't choose the analogy. The first P in PPE stands for "personal". It's to protect the individual. A long way second is to help the team to do its job but its primary purpose is to protect the individual. A cricketer's box doesn't protect the whole team's cock and balls, does it?

[Mr. Dazzle]

The phrase "herd immunity" has been in the news often enough for people to have looked it up by now

Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity. Immune individuals are unlikely to contribute to disease transmission, disrupting chains of infection, which stops or slows the spread of disease

Have the vaccine, or don't, but don't pretend its a purely selfish or cynical thing for everyone.

Quite right its not encumbant on you to save other people's lives. Its not encumbant on other people to do lots of things you benefit from either.

[wheelnut]

I didn't choose the analogy. The first P in PPE stands for "personal". It's to protect the individual. A long way second is to help the team to do its job but its primary purpose is to protect the individual. A cricketer's box doesn't protect the whole team's cock and balls, does it?

If Freddie Flintoff gets one at full pelt in the middle stump which rules him out of action for a few days and we lose the ashes because of it then yes, it affects the whole team.

Keep going, eventually the penny will drop.

[Gedge]

The vaccination is to protect the soldier who's vaccinated. You know, like the body armour protects his body, the boots protect his feet, the helmet protects his head and so on.

Body armour is there to protect the whole team, I could be talking out my arse as I’ve never been in the army, but it would make sense that if someone chooses not to wear body armour then his mates would be pretty pissed at him as he puts the whole team at risk as they have to put themselves at risk recovering his dead or injured body.

You’ve chosen quite a good analogy, it just works against your opinion.

I didn't choose the analogy. The first P in PPE stands for "personal". It's to protect the individual. A long way second is to help the team to do its job but its primary purpose is to protect the individual. A cricketer's box doesn't protect the whole team's cock and balls, does it?

If it was all about ‘ personal’ companies would just get you to sign a disclaimer and leave you to it ..fact is health and safety is a company responsibility and that’s why they issue it, and also why they insist that you use it when working ..

[irie]

The phrase "herd immunity" has been in the news often enough for people to have looked it up by now

Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity. Immune individuals are unlikely to contribute to disease transmission, disrupting chains of infection, which stops or slows the spread of disease

Have the vaccine, or don't, but don't pretend its a purely selfish or cynical thing for everyone.

Quite right its not encumbant on you to save other people's lives. Its not encumbant on other people to do lots of things you benefit from either.

Oh, you mean like I remember that some time ago SL had a serious blood disorder of some sort that took quite a lot of hospital/medical resources to diagnose and treat? I seem to recall that was at Addenbrooke hospital, but I could be wrong. Either way, unless SL was entirely self financing, which I very much doubt, his treatment was paid for by taxes paid by others for "the general good". I smell SL hypocrisy.

[Saga Lout]

Oh, you mean like I remember that some time ago SL had a serious blood disorder of some sort that took quite a lot of hospital/medical resources to diagnose and treat? I seem to recall that was at Addenbrooke hospital, but I could be wrong. Either way, unless SL was entirely self financing, which I very much doubt, his treatment was paid for by taxes paid by others for "the general good". I smell SL hypocrisy.

You mean all those National Insurance premiums I paid during my working life were for nothing? I thought that's what insurance was for.

[irie]

Oh, you mean like I remember that some time ago SL had a serious blood disorder of some sort that took quite a lot of hospital/medical resources to diagnose and treat? I seem to recall that was at Addenbrooke hospital, but I could be wrong. Either way, unless SL was entirely self financing, which I very much doubt, his treatment was paid for by taxes paid by others for "the general good". I smell SL hypocrisy.

You mean all those National Insurance premiums I paid during my working life were for nothing? I thought that's what insurance was for.

They're not for nothing, but if I recall correctly they will have counted for little in relation to the cost of the course of intensive treatment you received. You do, of course, know full well that NI payments are not invested in a fund for your benefit, they are instead a form of tax levied as general taxation for contemporaneous use. Nice try, but fail.

So back to the key point ...

Other people don't protect me against flu, those who have the flu vaccine do so to protect themselves.

"Other people" have vaccines both to protect themselves and to protect others through herd/community immunity. You will undoubtedly have benefitted from the latter throughout your life.

[wheelnut]

As i have stated earlier, we all need to make our own decisions on what we want to do moving forward with this life with covid, if it continues like it is young people cannot just be expected to do nothing, there is going to be a time soon when we have to say no and make our own decisions, if the law restricts that then we are going to see riots and more divisions between society and if you support the law's they are imposing on us then you need to accept the fact that the life you live is not going to be as rosy as it is now!

What will happen if the virus runs amok is that the health service will be totally overwhelmed, the TV pictures of people drowning in their own lungs in hospital car parks because the army are guarding the hospital doors to stop people getting in to overloaded hospitals will make everyone stay at home. That’s what has traditionally happened with large virus outbreaks and that’s why it’s eventually burned out.

Take or don’t take the vaccine. But you better hope that enough people will so that your life can return to normality.

[wheelnut]

They're not for nothing, but if I recall correctly they will have counted for little in relation to the cost of the course of intensive treatment you received. You do, of course, know full well that NI payments are not invested in a fund for your benefit, they are instead a form of tax levied as general taxation for contemporaneous use. Nice try, but fail.

I think it’s worked out at about 12k per day to stay in one of the beds in Mrs W’s place. 90 specialist nurses to man a 12 bed unit.

[Horse]

the elderly scaredy-cats here are frit of dying and they’ll bathe in the blood of virgins if they think it will stretch out their wretched existence an extra fortnight -

Ah, bless. The innocence of [relative] youth

My (now late) MiL, while she was in hospital with ovarian cancer, said to me: "Don't get old". It's good advice. Apart from as far as I can see, there only being about three alternatives- and only one that you get a choice for: early accidental death, early fatal illness, suicide.

Now, you've recently told us your plans for early retirement. Do you have further plans beyond that? Or are you going to stick around join the rest of us boring, moany, wretched old gits?

[Gedge]

AS I KEEP SAYING, THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT ALREADY HAVE COMPULSORY OR CONDITIONAL VACCINATION PROGRAMMES.

Yes but do we want to be one?

It's all fine referring to other countries policies until those policies impact directly on your life.

As i have stated earlier, we all need to make our own decisions on what we want to do moving forward with this life with covid, if it continues like it is young people cannot just be expected to do nothing, there is going to be a time soon when we have to say no and make our own decisions, if the law restricts that then we are going to see riots and more divisions between society and if you support the law's they are imposing on us then you need to accept the fact that the life you live is not going to be as rosy as it is now!

People need to unite, except we don't all live the same life with the same goal and forget to just fucking live, so we have to argue about how to live!

Typical of today’s younger generation... riots, civil disobedience and just doing what you want because you are restricted ...never occurred to you for the youth to volunteer to risk the 0.0005% chance of an adverse reaction and have the vaccine as a way of achieving the same thing ?

[wheelnut]

You’re wasting your time though, the elderly scaredy-cats here are frit of dying and they’ll bathe in the blood of virgins if they think it will stretch out their wretched existence an extra fortnight - so you managing to get to a pleasant gathering of young people enjoying themselves is unlikely until the pox is cured or they’ve all snuffed it.

If your goal is to just become a caricature then you’re succeeding.

[slowsider]

AS I KEEP SAYING, THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT ALREADY HAVE COMPULSORY OR CONDITIONAL VACCINATION PROGRAMMES.

Yes but do we want to be one?

It's all fine referring to other countries policies until those policies impact directly on your life.

As i have stated earlier, we all need to make our own decisions on what we want to do moving forward with this life with covid, if it continues like it is young people cannot just be expected to do nothing, there is going to be a time soon when we have to say no and make our own decisions, if the law restricts that then we are going to see riots and more divisions between society and if you support the law's they are imposing on us then you need to accept the fact that the life you live is not going to be as rosy as it is now!

People need to unite, except we don't all live the same life with the same goal and forget to just fucking live, so we have to argue about how to live!

Blimey Greenie, you’re making sense!

If only there was a way that people could get together to change the laws to suit the majority.

[moth]

The vaccination is to protect the soldier who's vaccinated. You know, like the body armour protects his body, the boots protect his feet, the helmet protects his head and so on.

Body armour is there to protect the whole team, I could be talking out my arse as I’ve never been in the army, but it would make sense that if someone chooses not to wear body armour then his mates would be pretty pissed at him as he puts the whole team at risk as they have to put themselves at risk recovering his dead or injured body.

You’ve chosen quite a good analogy, it just works against your opinion.

I didn't choose the analogy. The first P in PPE stands for "personal". It's to protect the individual. A long way second is to help the team to do its job but its primary purpose is to protect the individual. A cricketer's box doesn't protect the whole team's cock and balls, does it?

You're still using flawed analogies. A live squaddie can take care of himself and the team, a dead squaddie can stay where they are until the fighting's over. A wounded squaddie is a drain on the resources and effectiveness of the rest of the team, the REMFs who will have to recover them and patch them up, and on morale.