Pfizer vaccine approved

[wheelnut]

I will have the vaccine. Eventually. But when I do, it'll be to protect me, not to protect others, just like I have the flu vaccine every year to protect me. It's not up to me to protect others. Others can have the vaccine if they want to be protected. That's how vaccines work.

A vaccine doesn’t give you 100% protection. They work by protecting everyone to the point where the virus finds it difficult to jump about. A vaccine works when the vast majority of people are vaccinated.

That’s why the likes of measles is on the rise again, because some people are more susceptible to it, vaccinated or not. If less people are vaccinated then the more chance those susceptible will get it.

[Saga Lout]

It's not up to me to protect others.

Meh, just be glad not everyone feels that way.

I accept gift vouchers or cash by way of thanks BTW.

Other people don't protect me against flu, those who have the flu vaccine do so to protect themselves.

[irie]

It's not up to me to protect others.

Meh, just be glad not everyone feels that way.

I accept gift vouchers or cash by way of thanks BTW.

Other people don't protect me against flu, those who have the flu vaccine do so to protect themselves.

"Other people" have vaccines both to protect themselves and to protect others through herd/community immunity. You will undoubtedly have benefitted from the latter throughout your life.

[wheelnut]

I entirely understand your perspective, if I was living in the UK I'm sure I'd feel the same way, and I agree, it needs dealing with if you want life to go back to how it was.

One of these days you’ll post something without a dollop of stinky bait.

Had the UAE escaped it? Is there no mask wearing or social distancing and Perspex screens there?

Cases are back on the rise in the UAE as they are everywhere else, and, in my eyes anyway, it’s one a bunch of countries where the figures can’t be fully trusted. The IMF is predicting a Middle East downturn worse than the 2008 crash. Lots of ME countries are using it as a reason to repatriate their migrant workers.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Other people don't protect me against flu, those who have the flu vaccine do so to protect themselves.

As above....meh. Not everyone is so cynical. I'm at very little risk from Covid-19 but I'll still have the jab if its available to me.

You're quite right it is not up to you to protect others, that's your choice. But like I said, if everyone felt that way the world would be a much worse place.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Every day 10,000 kids starve to death on planet earth and every year about 55,000,000 people die of something other than covid.

I've yet to see anyone disagree with the thrust of this? As Nidge said I think we're all aware that people die of lots of things.

The thing is, all of these causes of death that have been brought up are already extensively addressed. Smoking, drinking etc. l mentioned above. Driving has road laws, tests, vehicle construction regs etc, pollutants are heavily regulated yada yada. Lots of other diseases (flu, measles, mumps etc.) have long running vaccination programmes. Every year we all buy stupid red noses to sooth our feelings on starving children.

So yeah, we're all gonna die of something but I don't think anyone is turning a blind eye to that?

I don't see Covid measures being particularly panic lead. Yes there are gonna be individual instances of people being dumb but by and large it hasn't been insane with rioting in the streets*. Naturally it dominates the news, but IME life has generally bumped along in a new fashion. Maybe I'm just lucky.

*Well there was, but that was something else.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I can't recall what every poster said, but AFAIK the consensus opinion is that it shouldn't be forced? Most people have said they're against forced action I think?

If you want a stupid example....I don't want to get in your car and force you to drive your car slowly by schools, or grab your steering wheel so you drive on the left (in the UK ) but I'm perfectly happy for you to be banned from the roads if you can't do it as well.

Maybe thats just me chickening out and letting someone else force for me, I dunno.

[wheelnut]

I don’t know what it is you’re looking for? I was going to just not respond but in the end I thought the safest thing is just write something entirely agreeing with you, but that’s not good enough either?

You know exactly what you’re doing. But that’s fine.

[Horse]

I’m not really inclined to argue about the argument - Weeksy will have a fit

There's probably more arguments every day in Africa.

[moth]

AS I KEEP SAYING, THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT ALREADY HAVE COMPULSORY OR CONDITIONAL VACCINATION PROGRAMMES.

I'm assuming that vaccination for British armed forces serving overseas is still mandatory?

The contention that "everyone is going to die, so a few more possibly preventable premature deaths don't matter" is so fucking specious it's not even worth discussing.

I'd hoped that overt trolling by the usual suspects would have been left at TRC, along with moronic whataboutism. Looks like I was wrong.

[Horse]

I think it’s me that’s deliberately being trolled,
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As I think I’ve said, I’m probably less easy to understand because I come at things from a global perspective, not a provincial UK town one - I can’t make that sound less provocative but it’s true.

Is it provocative because it infers that no-one else has ever thought about poverty, famine, illness (whether self-inflicted, such as by smoking, or not) and death globally?

You seem to be making comparisons with worst case, 'lowest common denominator' situations, but I'm sure that you're not suggesting that nothing is being done (as was detailed about smoking) about them or, equally, nothing should be done about covid.

[DefTrap]

Iccys "I come at things from a global perspective" is in the same category as tenbeers "I showed him a wheel".
Kwolity.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I think it’s me that’s deliberately being trolled, I’ve made a couple of very easy to understand points and then had several pages of “eh?”, resulting in me just shouting louder to try to make it easier to understand.

I think your problem is that you assume us isolated insular types don't understand and only you well travelled world weary types could possibly see. We do understand and we just don't agree

Shouting louder ain't gonna help cause it is not lack of comprehension that we're suffering from.

Several of us have said basically "yes lots of people die from other things" and essentially agreed already? Ditto on the not forcing things on people view.

[Yambo]

I'm assuming that vaccination for British armed forces serving overseas is still mandatory?

Almost certainly but it isn't done out of benevolence or to protect the locals.

[Mr. Dazzle]

it isn't done out of benevolence or to protect the locals.

That's not what they said in 2003.

[Horse]

I'm assuming that vaccination for British armed forces serving overseas is still mandatory?

Almost certainly but it isn't done out of benevolence or to protect the locals.

Isn't the overall aim to protect democracy, the free world, or summat? Sometimes including locals, other times a beleaguered nation, other times the western world?

[irie]

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If you don’t understand the point it doesn’t automatically mean that it must be trolling.

As I think I’ve said, I’m probably less easy to understand because I come at things from a global perspective, not a provincial UK town one - I can’t make that sound less provocative but it’s true.

Ah yes, the classic get out when trying to 'sell' something which people won't accept.

There is nothing wrong with what we say so it must either be a presentational issue, or simply not being understood by the target audience.

[Yambo]

Isn't the overall aim to protect democracy, the free world, or summat? Sometimes including locals, other times a beleaguered nation, other times the western world?

No, vaccination of our armed forces going overseas is not for any of that.

HTH.

[moth]

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If you don’t understand the point it doesn’t automatically mean that it must be trolling.

As I think I’ve said, I’m probably less easy to understand because I come at things from a global perspective, not a provincial UK town one - I can’t make that sound less provocative but it’s true.

Ah yes, the classic get out when trying to 'sell' something which people won't accept.

There is nothing wrong with what we say so it must either be a presentational issue, or simply not being understood by the target audience.

He's a shoo in for the next Secretary General of the United Nations.

[Horse]

Isn't the overall aim to protect democracy, the free world, or summat? Sometimes including locals, other times a beleaguered nation, other times the western world?

No, vaccination of our armed forces going overseas is not for any of that.

HTH.

If we send squaddies abroad, presumably we wish them to achieve the key objective? Part of that is to provide them with kit, training, supplies, etc. And part of that is vaccination.

So, yes, it is part of protecting the free world, etc.