They're the ones asking to be pointed out.
Hth
They're the ones asking to be pointed out.
I realise I’m nibbling on your hook (again), but the sad reality is that’s it not about the deaths. It’s about the ability of this particular strain of virus to overwhelm everything in its path simply by the ease of its transmission and maths. The disruption to our way of life, our health services, businesses and the economy would be even more catastrophic if left to run amok.
There’s very few people, if any, that were HIV positive in the 80s that are alive now. Nowadays it’s a chronic condition that can be managed through a shit load of drugs. Back then, it was a death sentence, and a pretty swift one once the condition moved from HIV to the AIDS stage.Trinity765 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:20 am A lot of the people diagnosed with Aids in the 80s believed they only had a few years to live. They spent their savings and sold their assets. 30 years later and they're still around, fit and able but homeless and forgotten, suffering from depression.
No I never.
I will have the vaccine. Eventually. But when I do, it'll be to protect me, not to protect others, just like I have the flu vaccine every year to protect me. It's not up to me to protect others. Others can have the vaccine if they want to be protected. That's how vaccines work.Nidge wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:58 am It’s nothing to do with that, it’s about a civic responsibility to protect others and remove the restrictions that are blighting so many lives which in turn are leading to other health crises.
My work brings me in to contact with leading vaccinologists, epidemiologists and immunologists- it’s not an exaggeration to say some of the are the world experts at the top of the field. One aspect of modelling that is studied is “vaccine confidence” which, sadly, is at an all time low in Spain and some other European countries. This is factored into the likely impact of vaccine roll out. Unfortunately the 95% efficacy rates claimed by Pfizer assume 100% uptake, which of course will never happen, but we need a high uptake to realise the full societal benefits
Meh, just be glad not everyone feels that way.
A vaccine doesn’t give you 100% protection. They work by protecting everyone to the point where the virus finds it difficult to jump about. A vaccine works when the vast majority of people are vaccinated.Saga Lout wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:13 pm
I will have the vaccine. Eventually. But when I do, it'll be to protect me, not to protect others, just like I have the flu vaccine every year to protect me. It's not up to me to protect others. Others can have the vaccine if they want to be protected. That's how vaccines work.
Other people don't protect me against flu, those who have the flu vaccine do so to protect themselves.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:37 pmMeh, just be glad not everyone feels that way.
I accept gift vouchers or cash by way of thanks BTW.
I entirely understand your perspective, if I was living in the UK I'm sure I'd feel the same way, and I agree, it needs dealing with if you want life to go back to how it was.wheelnut wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:52 pm
I realise I’m nibbling on your hook (again), but the sad reality is that’s it not about the deaths. It’s about the ability of this particular strain of virus to overwhelm everything in its path simply by the ease of its transmission and maths. The disruption to our way of life, our health services, businesses and the economy would be even more catastrophic if left to run amok.
"Other people" have vaccines both to protect themselves and to protect others through herd/community immunity. You will undoubtedly have benefitted from the latter throughout your life.Saga Lout wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:27 amOther people don't protect me against flu, those who have the flu vaccine do so to protect themselves.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:37 pmMeh, just be glad not everyone feels that way.
I accept gift vouchers or cash by way of thanks BTW.
One of these days you’ll post something without a dollop of stinky bait.
As above....meh. Not everyone is so cynical. I'm at very little risk from Covid-19 but I'll still have the jab if its available to me.
I don’t know what it is you’re looking for? I was going to just not respond but in the end I thought the safest thing is just write something entirely agreeing with you, but that’s not good enough either?wheelnut wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:39 amOne of these days you’ll post something without a dollop of stinky bait.
Had the UAE escaped it? Is there no mask wearing or social distancing and Perspex screens there?
Cases are back on the rise in the UAE as they are everywhere else, and, in my eyes anyway, it’s one a bunch of countries where the figures can’t be fully trusted. The IMF is predicting a Middle East downturn worse than the 2008 crash. Lots of ME countries are using it as a reason to repatriate their migrant workers.
I've yet to see anyone disagree with the thrust of this? As Nidge said I think we're all aware that people die of lots of things.
I don’t think every one is aware.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:58 am I've yet to see anyone disagree with the thrust of this? As Nidge said I think we're all aware that people die of lots of things.