Pfizer vaccine approved

[Silly Car]

“I for one know that I will test it on my children first and if they don’t grow a third arm then I will definitely have it myself.”

TM James Blunt on GMB yesterday

[weeksy]

I have no problem whatsoever with someone not wanting a vaccine for a reason. The only ones Ive seen so far are 'Dont wanna' and 'Cant be arsed' (and Greenies weird word soup) If thats the best reason, then it may be better for all concerned to not go bragging about that. If there are good reasons then spread the word.

You want reasons? How about:
Because the government is telling us it's safe.
The government that justified the second lockdown using outdated statistics because the up-to-date statistics didn't support a lockdown.
The government that told us the first lockdown was to flatten the curve and save the NHS.
The government that tells us they didn't cut any corners to get the Pfizer vaccine approved. Except they did away with some of the "red tape" or, in other words, they relaxed some of the regulations which in other circumstances they would argue are there to protect us. I.e. they cut some corners.

Yawn.

Let's not hey guys

[Horse]

And, Harry, weren't you the one who kept banging on about 'being positive', wanting good news and not throwing insults?

If you think the majority of the public are being fooled, then set out a case. Explain what you think is going to happen, why it is wrong and what the better alternative would be.

Otherwise we will be on the slope towards the thread being locked. And it would be flocking stupid to continue that way.

As usual you've entirely missed my point - and you seem especially desperate to create some sort of argument.
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My comment about sheep was because I think the anti-something mouth breathers are going to be out looking for people to beat up, it used to be black people, then it was queers, then statues to do with slavery and now it might be non-vaccine taking people.

Nope, nothing to do with whether you choose to accept it or not. You had stated your views at the start of the post.

Thank you for explaining the 'sheep' comment. You have clarified that it's just the 'anti-' brigade. It read, to me, differently, as if you felt that the majority (or herd) were being directed, like sheep, to a particular view or implementation of vaccination by restriction of freedom.

And as for me starting an argument, I don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting we keep comments polite and positive, is there? We've already had "it's the re-incarnation of Hitler, no wonder you ... " thrown in.

[gremlin]

This thread simple baffles me as I can never understand how people can get so worked up about other people's choices.

Bizarre.

[slowsider]

The government that tells us they didn't cut any corners to get the Pfizer vaccine approved. Except they did away with some of the "red tape" or, in other words, they relaxed some of the regulations which in other circumstances they would argue are there to protect us. I.e. they cut some corners.

"The head of the MHRA, Dr June Raine, said that - despite the speed of approval - no corners have been cut."

Her cousin is April Showers. And her uncle is Jon Snow.




Not really, before Yambo insists that I prove it.

[wheelnut]

I know there are school kids not having Measles etc jabs due to parents not wanting it and the only issue is that some of them then get it. Shit happens I guess. But should be a free choice.

Measles is increasing in developed countries and it's down to idiots not vaccinating their kids. Measles can be nasty and it does kill kids. But I agree, it should be free choice and we shouldn't force parents to vaccinate their kids.

However free choice works in other ways. Schools should have the free choice not to accept any kids without a full vaccination record. And they should use it.

[Yorick]

This thread simple baffles me as I can never understand how people can get so worked up about other people's choices.

Bizarre.

I choose to think you're a knob

[Saga Lout]

The government that tells us they didn't cut any corners to get the Pfizer vaccine approved. Except they did away with some of the "red tape" or, in other words, they relaxed some of the regulations which in other circumstances they would argue are there to protect us. I.e. they cut some corners.

"The head of the MHRA, Dr June Raine, said that - despite the speed of approval - no corners have been cut."
Which is pretty much from the horses mouth, as they are the regulators. Which interpretation are you referring to?

"Ministers had insisted the UK got the green light first because Brexit had "freed" the country from Brussels red tape - only for the medical regulator to insist it had been working under European law."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-pa ... stract.com

As I said, the government tells us it didn't cut any corners but they did away with some red tape.

There was another BBC article I read that mentioned doing away with red tape, unfortunately I can't find it now.

[Mr. Dazzle]

There was another BBC article I read that mentioned doing away with red tape, unfortunately I can't find it now.

Probably done away with in the name of red tape reduction.

[moth]

I know there are school kids not having Measles etc jabs due to parents not wanting it and the only issue is that some of them then get it. Shit happens I guess. But should be a free choice.

Measles is increasing in developed countries and it's down to idiots not vaccinating their kids. Measles can be nasty and it does kill kids. But I agree, it should be free choice and we shouldn't force parents to vaccinate their kids.

However free choice works in other ways. Schools should have the free choice not to accept any kids without a full vaccination record. And they should use it.

Compulsory vaccination is a thing in other countries, and not all of them are hardline dictatorships.

[DefTrap]

"Ministers had insisted the UK got the green light first because Brexit had "freed" the country from Brussels red tape - only for the medical regulator to insist it had been working under European law."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-pa ... stract.com

As I said, the government tells us it didn't cut any corners but they did away with some red tape.

There was another BBC article I read that mentioned doing away with red tape, unfortunately I can't find it now.

Well "Ministers had insisted the UK got the green light first because Brexit had "freed" the country from Brussels red tape - only for the medical regulator to insist it had been working under European law." sounds like a load of waffle to big-up the Brexit message. The MHRA are in control of what happens in the UK, the EMA for the EU. So nothing to do with red tape but just that obviously different organisations work at different speeds. The actual regulations that are followed are actually very similar.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Fwiw baby Ds school doesn't accept unvaccinated kids (without 'a note') so its not a new idea for 2020.

[DefTrap]

You know, honestly, there is a lot of complaining going on about the potential of dying.

My missus often has this A&E programme on the telly and it's always the old people that go with dignity, one fabulous lady last night had to make the decision of whether to allow them to resuscitate her, she was an ex-headmistress and made the decision with fantastic courage, no whining or moaning. She just calmly said that when she goes, to leave her gone, she'd had a fantastic life and she wanted to go with dignity, I admired her courage and bravery tremendously.

We're all going to die, you're not getting out of here alive, face it with a bit of dignity and go without pissing and moaning about it.

I reckon if you have enough energy to piss, moan and scream about it, you're probably going to pull through.

[wheelnut]

However free choice works in other ways. Schools should have the free choice not to accept any kids without a full vaccination record. And they should use it.

And free choice not to accept sick/disabled kids?

No kids without vaccination records, no sick or disabled kids, no poor kids.
That might catch on.

'Ave a word with yourself.

WTF did you pull that straw man from?

[Mr. Dazzle]

I'm just not keen on forcing it on people, even if they don't have an excuse good enough for the internet police.

I wouldn't force it on people either and realistically I don't think that's going to happen.

I also have no issues with private enterprise declining services to the unvaccinated if they want to. Clearly I don't, cause as above my daughter goes to school at somewhere which forces vaccination.

For all the talk of government action, from what I've seen in the news its actually been private enterprise calling for so called passports? The government have pushed back at the idea as far as I can see.

As above, I think what will actually happen is forcing by back door. I.e. we'll just get a series of government communication/propaganda saying the restrictions will stay until enough people are immune. I doubt they could seriously police any other way even if they wanted to.

[Mr. Dazzle]

I also have no issues with private enterprise declining services to the unvaccinated if they want to.

I can see the signs in the windows now...

No gays, no blacks and no unvaccinated.

Can I get that slogan on a cake?

[weeksy]

I also have no issues with private enterprise declining services to the unvaccinated if they want to.

I can see the signs in the windows now...

No gays, no blacks and no unvaccinated.

You been drinking tonight?

[wheelnut]

It was a stretch but if schools can choose not to accept non-vaccinated kids in case they get sick, then how much of stretch is it to not accept already sick kids?

You don't choose not to accept non-vaccinated kids in case they get sick, you choose not to accept them in case they make other kids sick.

What about kids born with AIDS, they can infect other kids, should they be banned from schools?

Obviously not, but they probably go to school with some restrictions, based on the safety of others.

And if my kid is vaccinated against mumps, then why would I be bothered about him sitting next to a kid in school that wasn't?

C'mon - you're brighter than that, and stop trolling.

[Greenman]

I also have no issues with private enterprise declining services to the unvaccinated if they want to.

I can see the signs in the windows now...

No gays, no blacks and no unvaccinated.

You been drinking tonight?

Strange innit...i keep wanting to like his posts

[Yorick]

I also have no issues with private enterprise declining services to the unvaccinated if they want to.

I can see the signs in the windows now...

No gays, no blacks and no unvaccinated.

And no Scousers or short people