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[Horse]

Would you accept evidence of external and physical characteristics such as genitalia?

Would you accept DNA results?

So, presumably, you will also accept physical evidence from brain scans?

You asked 'why'? You might not like the answer, that's your problem.

I asked why we should believe this nonsense. Do you believe this nonsense? Do you believe that a man is a woman if he says he is?

Why is it about what I believe?

- characteristics such as genitalia
- DNA
- brain scans

[Cousin Jack]

I spent a chunk of my life getting qualified in a using industrial psychology. There are many aspects if psychology, the useful ones use large numbers of test results and statistical analysis to derive significant trends from those results
Then there are the ones that just talk to people and call themselves clinical psychologists. If you show X behaviours you get a label. And that shows it isn't your fault, the world has to accept you are different. No need to explain how or why, or even to get some reliable and repeatable stats.
I stand by my term 'psychobabble'.

[JackyJoll]

Would you accept evidence of external and physical characteristics such as genitalia?

Would you accept DNA results?

So, presumably, you will also accept physical evidence from brain scans?

You asked 'why'? You might not like the answer, that's your problem.

I asked why we should believe this nonsense. Do you believe this nonsense? Do you believe that a man is a woman if he says he is?

Why is it about what I believe?

- characteristics such as genitalia
- DNA
- brain scans

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’ve given me the impression that you believe men who pretend to be women are something more than (or other than) men who pretend to be women.

[Horse]

I spent a chunk of my life getting qualified in a using industrial psychology. There are many aspects if psychology, the useful ones use large numbers of test results and statistical analysis to derive significant trends from those results

Then there are the ones that just talk to people and call themselves clinical psychologists

I stand by my term 'psychobabble'.

Presumably the brain scan stuff doesn't rely on asking the brain questions, so fits into the first category?


PS I spent over 15 years working with psychologists, so understand the distinction. For research involving the first, I would design experiments and stattos would specify sample sizes to achieve significant results. And one survey I ran on a target group of, in total, about 1500 people received 600 submissions, so was reasonably representative of those with strong beliefs.

[Horse]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’ve given me the impression that you believe men who pretend to be women are something more than (or other than) men who pretend to be women.

Pretend? How does a brain 'pretend' during a scan?

As above: Why is it about what I believe? It's not.

[JackyJoll]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’ve given me the impression that you believe men who pretend to be women are something more than (or other than) men who pretend to be women.

Pretend? How does a brain 'pretend' during a scan?

As above: Why is it about what I believe? It's not.

I’ve been assuming you post what you believe.

[Saga Lout]

I asked why we should believe this nonsense. Do you believe this nonsense? Do you believe that a man is a woman if he says he is?

Why is it about what I believe?

Because I'd like to know whether I'm having a discussion with a true believer or somebody playing Devil's advocate.
So, Do you believe a man in a dress is a woman if he says he's a woman?
Do you believe I have a full head of hair and I'm not a bald man in a wig if I say I have a full head of hair?
And if you believe one but not the other, why?

[Horse]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but you’ve given me the impression that you believe men who pretend to be women are something more than (or other than) men who pretend to be women.

Pretend? How does a brain 'pretend' during a scan?

As above: Why is it about what I believe? It's not.

I’ve been assuming you post what you believe.

I was posting answers to CJ and SL. I was assuming you understood that.

So, getting away from me, how does a brain 'pretend'?

[JackyJoll]

how does a brain 'pretend'?

Question makes no sense to me.

People pretend. I guess that involves their brain.

Some creepy men pretend to be women. You’re cheering them on, for some reason.

[Horse]

Because I'd like to know whether I'm having a discussion with a true believer or somebody playing Devil's advocate.

Well, you should have included that qualifier in the original post.

But you didn't, you asked for evidence. You just don't like the answer, so are attempting to make it about me instead, rather than acknowledge that there are brain scans that support something you dislike / disbelieve / ridicule.

Using the "Devil's Advocate" idea is irrelevant. There's evidence, accept it or challenge it.

[Horse]

how does a brain 'pretend'?

Question makes no sense to me.

People pretend. I guess that involves their brain.

Some creepy men pretend to be women. You’re cheering them on, for some reason.

Oh dear, attacking me instead of the evidence.

[JackyJoll]

how does a brain 'pretend'?

Question makes no sense to me.

People pretend. I guess that involves their brain.

Some creepy men pretend to be women. You’re cheering them on, for some reason.

Oh dear, attacking me instead of the evidence.

I said you’re cheering them on. It looks like you’re doing that. Do you see that as an attack on you?

Are you actually not cheering them on?

[JackyJoll]

Oh dear, attacking me instead of the evidence

The evidence that men pretending to be women are something other than men pretending to be women?

That doesn’t even need to be attacked, mate.

[Horse]

I said you’re cheering them on. It looks like you’re doing that. Do you see that as an attack on you?

Are you actually not cheering them on?

Still making it about me?

Accept or challenge the evidence.

[JackyJoll]

The “evidence” that pretending to be the other sex is something other than a load of shit?

Yeah sure.

[Horse]

The “evidence” that pretending to be the other sex is something other than a load of shit?

Yeah sure.

Oh deary deary deary. Best you can do is to swear at it?

So your post can really only be read as "I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't have been for those pesky scientists with their brain scans."

[JackyJoll]

I have to swear at it? Yeah ok it’s fucking shit.

How long do I have to dress up as Little Bo-Peep, before my brain changes shape and I can’t be excluded from the Women’s Guild?

You’re sounding like a guy making excuses for his blue-haired offspring. Hope that’s not the case.

[Cousin Jack]

Would it be a good idea to do what I suggested? Proper research with statistically valid results, to find out WHY significant numbers of people want to pretend/adopt/become something different from what their DNA say?

[Cousin Jack]

And why those numbers are significant today and were insignificant in my youth.

[Horse]

I have to swear at it? Yeah ok it’s fucking shit.

How long do I have to dress up as Little Bo-Peep, before my brain changes shape and I can’t be excluded from the Women’s Guild?

You’re sounding like a guy making excuses for his blue-haired offspring. Hope that’s not the case.

You're funny