Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?

[Mr. Dazzle]

And I also want a decent residual value after 10 years and 100k miles.

That's a bit of an ask for ANY car.

Quick example, here's a list of 10 year old BMWs with >100k on them, they've all lost 80-90% of their value with a very few exceptions for 'special' stuff.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search ... ar-to=2014

EDIT: I was talking to my (EV owning) Mum about this the other day, it's also something we talk about alot at work of course. The degradation of EV battery performance is nothing like as bad as everyone knows™ it is. The depreciation curve is also not as bad as everyone knows it is. But it basically doesn't matter, because EVERYONE KNOWS EV's lose value really quickly and their batteries die quickly. Thus is becomes a self perpetuating prophecy, it basically doesn't matter what the actual numbers say People think EVs lose value quickly, so they do.

It's just like how everyone knows there are no high power chargers in the UK, when there are in fact hundreds - probably actually thousands - by now.

Or how everyone knows the "EV bubble has burst" when sales continue their upward trend. https://www.transportxtra.com/publicati ... tive-month

I can't see a way out of that 'loop' other than for more people to have EVs and the general public perception to change through experience.

[Cousin Jack]

And I also want a decent residual value after 10 years and 100k miles.

That's a bit of an ask for ANY car.

Quick example, here's a list of 10 year old BMWs with >100k on them, they've all lost 80-90% of their value with a very few exceptions for 'special' stuff.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search ... ar-to=2014

I said decent, not high. High spec premium cars will always lose 80-90%. I will bet a 10yo ICE Merc has better residuals than an equivalent EV

[Mr. Dazzle]

I said decent, not high. High spec premium cars will always lose 80-90%. I will bet a 10yo ICE Merc has better residuals than an equivalent EV

Not really, but only because of small sample sizes. There isn't really an EV equivalent to a 10 year old Merc yet, the only thing you could really choose would be a 10 year old Tesla, which still commands pretty strong money.

But like I said, that's 'cause this whole field/market is still new and you're looking at a small pool of cars.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search ... ar-to=2014
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search ... ar-to=2014

I can't work out if an "original" Tesla roadster at 120k is a good buy or not Probabaly not, but then when do you ever get to buy the first car a brand ever made?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-detail ... rs&fromsra

[ZRX61]

Just had another warehouse full of *clean energy* burn to the ground here.

[Mr. Dazzle]

California sounds dangerous, you need better fire safety regs.

[demographic]

And I also want a decent residual value after 10 years and 100k miles.

That's a bit of an ask for ANY car.

Quick example, here's a list of 10 year old BMWs with >100k on them, they've all lost 80-90% of their value with a very few exceptions for 'special' stuff.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search ... ar-to=2014

EDIT: I was talking to my (EV owning) Mum about this the other day, it's also something we talk about alot at work of course. The degradation of EV battery performance is nothing like as bad as everyone knows™ it is. The depreciation curve is also not as bad as everyone knows it is. But it basically doesn't matter, because EVERYONE KNOWS EV's lose value really quickly and their batteries die quickly. Thus is becomes a self perpetuating prophecy, it basically doesn't matter what the actual numbers say People think EVs lose value quickly, so they do.

It's just like how everyone knows there are no high power chargers in the UK, when there are in fact hundreds - probably actually thousands - by now.

Or how everyone knows the "EV bubble has burst" when sales continue their upward trend. https://www.transportxtra.com/publicati ... tive-month

I can't see a way out of that 'loop' other than for more people to have EVs and the general public perception to change through experience.

Must admit that I've been wondering about the reports of the EV bubble bursting* while hearing of the rapid upward trend in EV sales.

*Every fule nose its true, innit.

[Yambo]

. . . but then when do you ever get to buy the first car a brand ever made?

The only new car I ever bought was a Peugeot 405 GTDT. It developed a problem with what turned out to be the vacuum pump. There had been a call in notice on younger cars for the vacuum pump bracket so I hoped it would be covered even though the car was out of the warranty period. The dealer had already checked with Peugeot in Coventry on my behalf as they thought it might have been related. It wasn't but Peugeot told them my car was the 5th 405 GTDT off the line.

My car had an 1800 turbo diesel engine and by the time of the problem Peugeot were already using their ubiquitous 1900 engine in the 405. That car was easily the best car I'd ever owned, comfortable, fuel efficient, galvanised body . . . I kept it 16 years and put 216000 miles on it.

I always wondered who had bought the first 4 cars and if they had had the same good fortune.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Just think, if you'd kept it it could be worth £120k today

BTW. I know it's not the point of your story but typically the "first car off the line" is actually somewhere in the hundredth or thousandths off the line. High volume OEMs will make several thousand prototype and pre-production cars before they start going on sale, the last few hundred of which will be identical to what the punters buy. And that's before you even think about all the press/demo/dealer training etc cars.

[ZRX61]

And I also want a decent residual value after 10 years and 100k miles.

My 28yo/135k mile diesel was the most expensive truck option when it was new, over twice what the cost was for a stock F350 XLT. Total was around $44,000. A few weeks ago I turned down an offer of $40,000.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Yeah and you've got an entire thread about all the restoration work you've done / are doing to it.

[Horse]

Trigger's truck?

[ZRX61]

Yeah and you've got an entire thread about all the restoration work you've done / are doing to it.

The only resto work is repair/paint of the body kit parts.... which were damaged the first year the original owner had it. No idea why he never took care of that seeing how anal he was about the truck.
Drove it to Willow yesterday. Had two guys come up to ask about the truck. They were convinced the custom paint was a recent addition & that I'd decided to "replicate a '90's look". They were astounded it was the original '96 paint.
Altho with that said, when the sun in low in the sky you can see the paint needs some correction work. I have all the gubbins to take care of that.

[ZRX61]

Another clean energy success story...

https://abc7.com/post/fire-autozone-sto ... /15552031/

Lithium Ion battery exploded at GhettoZone auto parts store & the fire spread to the rest of the strip mall.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Ford seemingly about to announce a partnership with Xiaomi to make EVs. If they're not, it would seem pretty weird that Ford's CEO is publicly stating he wants to drive their cars

‘I don’t like talking about the competition so much, but I drive a Xiaomi. We flew one from Shanghai to Chicago and I’ve been driving it for six months now, and I don’t want to give it up.’

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/ ... iaomi/su7/

[Mr. Dazzle]

Another clean energy success story...

https://abc7.com/post/fire-autozone-sto ... /15552031/

Similar thing here in MK yesterday, car caught fire and shut one of the main roads for hours.

Oh wait.

It was a petrol car

https://www.facebook.com/10006480546804 ... 7S9Ucbxw6v

[demographic]

Must admit that the classic car turned into electric is a real draw for me, mostly because a car is just a box with a wheel on each corner as far as I'm concerned and I've never been interested in too much supposed luxury items in them.
Motor, heater, windscreen wipers, steering wheel and brakes that work and not much else really. I can buy infotainment from Halfords for a few hundred quid.


Not cheap though.

[Noggin]

Must admit that the classic car turned into electric is a real draw for me, mostly because a car is just a box with a wheel on each corner as far as I'm concerned and I've never been interested in too much supposed luxury items in them.
Motor, heater, windscreen wipers, steering wheel and brakes that work and not much else really. I can buy infotainment from Halfords for a few hundred quid.


Not cheap though.

Nooooo. Surely a classic car IS the fact that it's old, basic and has character??? And most sought after ones have an engine sound that appeals (at least, it appeals to the people that want to buy them!)

To me, putting electric into a classic car is a serious crime against, well, something!! LOL

There's no soul in a classic that has been de-engined!!

[Mr. Dazzle]

Mini's are a funny one, loads of people like them when they're not even into cars. They're pretty much the embodiment of 60's cool Britannia, I can well see how lots of people would like an electric one.

I've posted before about the electric DeLorean, which to me makes more sense than the original ICE version

I don't agree with the notion that the ICE engine is the soul of a car anyway. Not every car, at least. Some more than others certainly. If the best thing you can say about a car is that it vibrates a lot and is noisy....well......

[demographic]

Must admit that the classic car turned into electric is a real draw for me, mostly because a car is just a box with a wheel on each corner as far as I'm concerned and I've never been interested in too much supposed luxury items in them.
Motor, heater, windscreen wipers, steering wheel and brakes that work and not much else really. I can buy infotainment from Halfords for a few hundred quid.


Not cheap though.

Nooooo. Surely a classic car IS the fact that it's old, basic and has character??? And most sought after ones have an engine sound that appeals (at least, it appeals to the people that want to buy them!)

To me, putting electric into a classic car is a serious crime against, well, something!! LOL

There's no soul in a classic that has been de-engined!!

Yeahbut, they're stinking shiteboxes. The one my mate had reeked of petrol and couldn't pull the noddy of a soft cock. It was still highly entertaining though and even though I'm much more of a van type person I'd have one with a lecky motor in a shot.

[Taipan]

Mini's are a funny one, loads of people like them when they're not even into cars. They're pretty much the embodiment of 60's cool Britannia, I can well see how lots of people would like an electric one.

I've posted before about the electric DeLorean, which to me makes more sense than the original ICE version

I don't agree with the notion that the ICE engine is the soul of a car anyway. Not every car, at least. Some more than others certainly. If the best thing you can say about a car is that it vibrates a lot and is noisy....well......

A converted mini is one thing, but abTeslarossa!