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[Gregor]

Bluesky will end up enshitified like all the other platforms.

It’s nice for now not having ads intruding but now all the political commentators and shit stirrers are moving over I can see it heading down the pan rapidly.

[DefTrap]

Post on twitter init

And this is the problem with all media once it's editorial line has been exposed.

The BBC (and all MSM somehow) is seen as left leaning, therefore nobody right of that will go there for News. The ones that do, don't think it's particularly left-leaning.
Twitter is seen as right leaning, therefore nobody left of that will go there for News. The ones that do, don't think it's particularly right-leaning.

The big problem I have with Twitter is that -
- it has claimed the majority of the youth market who only engage with social media
- Twitter isn't a News service, it's a free-for-all. The retarded 'facts' about COVID vaccination testing are all over Twitter. My niece read it on there so it must be true, it's laughable to anyone who actually has some expertise. And because 'expert' is now always preceded with 'so-called' it makes it look like there's some plot going on, although nobody's ever clear about how this is happening or why. Proper News services aren't reporting "My mate said" opinion as fact - why is that?

[Hoonercat]

IMO The Guardian has got it wrong by leaving and they'd do well to support free speech in all its guises and remember the fleet street battle cry of publish and be damned! .

I suspect this is simply a case of the Guardian no longer being willing to throw advertising money at an outlet that it no longer believes has a user base who would be interested in its content, let alone willing to pay for a subscription. In other words, they think X has been dumbed down, but saying that publicly might not be the best idea, given Musk's talent for whipping dumb people into a frenzy

[Horse]

Wrong yes, but has happened many times before. Remember the angry mob who went after the pediatrician

Remember it well. The baying mob around here torched a convicted paedophile's car.

Or they would have if he hadn't moved out three months earlier.

[Taipan]

Plus, teh authorities had the accurate information pretty much within hours and could have quashed it.

How, exactly?

Once a BS story (or even a true one!) gets legs on twitter there's no stopping it even if you take it down.

Look how many people still think vaccines cause autism for example.

The Police knew who he was, where he came from , who his parents were within hours, but they never released that information for days I think it was? So the story just gained momentum. I guess the problem was he was from an African immigrant family, but had arrived much earlier than touted. Also, if its true, wasn't there a murky past with his parents? But they could have easily have quashed the he just got of a boat rumours with a selective release of information. The Police normally only feed the specific information that suits them, followed by the timely and magical, we now know...

[Mr. Dazzle]

The Police aren't in the habit of releasing suspects names, in any context, at short notice though. I would hope the reason is obvious.

What about if they had released the wrong details or name, for example?

Perhaps the onus shouldn't be on the police to release just the right bits of information to stop social media mobs.

[Noggin]

TBF, once it was known who it was and that he'd been born in the country, people were still posting racist shit, so I doubt the police confirming it would have made any difference

[Saga Lout]

Dog-free zones needed in parks to tackle racism, Welsh government told

I wonder what the reason is. There is no mention of the religion of peace in the article so it's obviously not that.

[Gregor]

Dog-free zones needed in parks to tackle racism, Welsh government told

I wonder what the reason is. There is no mention of the religion of peace in the article so it's obviously not that.

Some of my best friends are dogs.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Man's best friend. All dogs are sexist.

[Horse]

So the story just gained momentum.

Not helped by Farage standing in parliament saying "I have heard that* ... We should be told."

And then what?

If true, what then? Would that have justified everything that happened subsequently?

. I guess the problem was he was from an African immigrant family, but had arrived much earlier than touted.

Problem? Again, what difference would that have made?

Also, if its true, wasn't there a murky past with his parents?

And there's your potentially toxic free speech again. Why not spend a few moments checking before posting.


* And I've heard Trump and Boris use exactly that very careful phrasing. And epitomises X 'free speech'. For the last 16 years I've worked in an environment where if you make a statement then anyone else is fully justified in asking for evidence.

[Taipan]

The Police aren't in the habit of releasing suspects names, in any context, at short notice though. I would hope the reason is obvious.

What about if they had released the wrong details or name, for example?

Perhaps the onus shouldn't be on the police to release just the right bits of information to stop social media mobs.

They wouldn't have released the wrong information. Such an incident would have had a lot of resoruces thrown at it and immediately too, for obvious reasons. Think about the consequences we saw. If i had been one of the local muslims I'd not have been best pleased at how things were how allowed to escalate.

[Taipan]

So the story just gained momentum.

Not helped by Farage standing in parliament saying "I have heard that* ... We should be told."

And then what?

If true, what then? Would that have justified everything that happened subsequently?

. I guess the problem was he was from an African immigrant family, but had arrived much earlier than touted.

Problem? Again, what difference would that have made?

Also, if its true, wasn't there a murky past with his parents?

And there's your potentially toxic free speech again. Why not spend a few moments checking before posting.


* And I've heard Trump and Boris use exactly that very careful phrasing. And epitomises X 'free speech'. For the last 16 years I've worked in an environment where if you make a statement then anyone else is fully justified in asking for evidence.

If Farage or anyone else thinks he or his constituents should know then he has the right to ask. The bigger picture is obviously because we let people in without ID and it may surprise you to know the ONS doesn't keep stats on crimes committed by asylum seekers. I'd blame the polices inaction on the cause rather than a politicians concerns. Not all the protestors were right wing thugs, many were ordinary people mobilised out of fear. A massacre in your community will do that.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The bigger picture is obviously because we let people in without ID and it may surprise you to know the ONS doesn't keep stats on crimes committed by asylum seekers.

This is true, but it's also misleading. The ONS doesn't keep stats on the crimes committed by ANY one group. Another great example of free speech being supressed, or just social media not telling the whole story? What you said is true at the face value level, but I could just as well say Vicars are all committing arson and you can't prove me wrong 'cause the ONS doesn't hold stats on it

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transpar ... ssince2020

They wouldn't have released the wrong information. Such an incident would have had a lot of resoruces thrown at it and immediately too, for obvious reasons. Think about the consequences we saw. If i had been one of the local muslims I'd not have been best pleased at how things were how allowed to escalate.

Similar sort of thing - it's been a long running debate; whether or not the Police can/should name suspects before they've been charged. Predates social media by a long way. Does it mean the truth is being hidden?

[DefTrap]

So the story just gained momentum.

* And I've heard Trump and Boris use exactly that very careful phrasing. And epitomises X 'free speech'. For the last 16 years I've worked in an environment where if you make a statement then anyone else is fully justified in asking for evidence.

Me too.
Which is fine in a professional setting - if you have no evidence, it didn't happen, and you will look like a fool trying to prove your story with the scraps that are available.

Of course in a non-professional setting, either nobody requires evidence, or people can provide crap evidence using sketchy findings from other fools who 'reckon' stuff, or (most likely) evidence is supplied by people who know their stuff and is then derided by fvckwits.

[Horse]

If Farage or anyone else thinks he or his constituents should know then he has the right to ask.

And he could have written a note to the minister. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd would then been offered an off the record call from police to set his mind at rest. Matter settled.

But he didn't. He stood and said it on record. A cynic might think it suited an agenda to do so.

The bigger picture is obviously because we let people in without ID and it may surprise you to know ...

That's background, or are you saying that lies on X etc are justified because of it?

Not all the protestors were right wing thugs, many were ordinary people mobilised out of fear.

Fear of what, exactly? Fear of factual things, or fear of lies?

A massacre in your community will do that.

I've lived through a massacre in my local community. 16 dead. There were many emotions after, but no mob violence.

[Taipan]

If Farage or anyone else thinks he or his constituents should know then he has the right to ask.

And he could have written a note to the minister. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd would then been offered an off the record call from police to set his mind at rest. Matter settled.

But he didn't. He stood and said it on record. A cynic might think it suited an agenda to do so.

The bigger picture is obviously because we let people in without ID and it may surprise you to know ...

That's background, or are you saying that lies on X etc are justified because of it?

Not all the protestors were right wing thugs, many were ordinary people mobilised out of fear.

Fear of what, exactly? Fear of factual things, or fear of lies?

A massacre in your community will do that.

I've lived through a massacre in my local community. 16 dead. There were many emotions after, but no mob violence.

Thats the point of PMQs to ask, not write notes.
Of course Farage has an agenda!
Backgrounds arent checked when asylum seekers/illegals arrive without papers.
Fear of more muslim terror attacks.
Phew.

[Mr. Dazzle]

Backgrounds arent checked when asylum seekers/illegals arrive without papers.

From the Government's own website...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... bookmark61

If you're saying their entire background isn't checked - well, that's harder to really say anything about. When was your background checked? Mine hasn't really been, 'cause I've never asked to do very much which would need it. I was security cleared for work when I worked in Nuclear Subs, but I made it into my 20s before that happened.

I'm not really saying anything about Asylum seekers BTW, that's not my point, my point is that most of what you've said so far in the context of free speech and twitter is only half true. This is why I tend to agree with Deftrap.

EDIT: BTW, how are you supposed to check the papers of an illegal immigrant, someone who by definition arrived here without going through the proper channels?

System and security checks
Mandatory systems and security database checks must be completed during the screening process. Checks must be done when the claim for asylum is made. You must update Atlas and the file with the results of the checks carried out.

When someone indicates that they want to claim asylum, you must establish if they have had any previous contact with the Home Office, such as applying for a visa, or encountered at the juxtaposed controls. Before opening a new person record, you must initially carry out system checks to establish whether the claimant is already known to the Home Office in any capacity The Central Reference System (CRS) must also be checked and it is advisable to do as early as possible in the process.

By taking a claimant’s fingerprints, you will ‘lock’ an identity to the claimant. You will also be identifying if they have previously been in contact with the UK authorities (for example when they applied for a visa or have a UK criminal record).

If the claimant is aged 16 years or over, their fingerprints will also be checked against those fingerprints held on the police biometric database, IDENT1. It is advisable therefore to fingerprint the asylum claimant as soon as possible and, if practical before the screening questionnaire is completed, as a positive fingerprint match will help to establish identity and may assist you in determining what questions to ask. See fingerprinting for further information.

Irrespective of who is conducting the screening process all checks must be completed. If additional operational procedures are required by the Border Force operating mandate (in port cases) or adding the case to PRONTO (police reporting and notebook organiser) in the case of Immigration Enforcement then such checks and procedures must also be undertaken, and the outcome recorded.

The UK is no longer part of the Common European Asylum System and are no longer party to the Dublin and Eurodac Regulations. We will therefore no longer transmit fingerprints to Eurodac for storage and the related fingerprint comparison against the data stored in Eurodac.

[Horse]

You forgot massacre = mob


And fear of more Muslim attacks? We're people in England always afraid of IRA attacks during The Troubles?

There are about 4 million Muslims in the UK. How much fear is justified?

[Taipan]

You forgot massacre = mob


And fear of more Muslim attacks? We're people in England always afraid of IRA attacks during The Troubles?

There are about 4 million Muslims in the UK. How much fear is justified?

In London, yes, very much so around the time of the docklands and baltic exchange bombs. There was a lot of stuff going on that didnt make the news. We were evacuated due to coded bomb warnings a couple of times. Lots of my colleagues were nervous of working in London during that time. The same worries returned after 7/7 bombing with colleagues not venturing down oxford street on payday any more.

How on earth would I know that? As a flip side to it I can tell you its a worrying time for muslims i know too. Biggest fear is their children being radicalised.