Taipan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:33 pmThe amount if EV fires is starting to register with me though.
Would some facts help?
"With data corroborated from a US insurer, the study found that EVs suffer 25 fires per 100,000 sold. Petrol or diesel vehicles were found to experience 1,530 fires per 100,000, with hybrid vehicles at a notably higher risk of 3,475 fires per 100,000."
MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:40 pm
Probably the same as any other windows or locks powered by electricity on any vehicle regardless of fuel
Yeah everything except the 'engine' runs off a normal 12V battery which is charged from the 'big' battery. You can get a rather comedy situation where the 12V battery being dead prevents you charging the 1000V big one Think about it, the design and supply of central locking etc. is already well established, why would you redo all that for EVs rather than keeping the existing systems?
Taipan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:33 pm
The amount if EV fires is starting to register with me though.
From that Beeb article
Neil Sadler from Northamptonshire Fire Service said: "We are not experiencing an increase in electric vehicle fires, but when they do occur, they can behave differently to other vehicle fires and require a different response.
"We continually assess the risks associated with electric vehicles, to learn and enhance our operational tactics."
In the last year, the service logged 277 fires in road vehicles, three of which were categorised as electric or hybrid.
MrLongbeard wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:40 pm
Probably the same as any other windows or locks powered by electricity on any vehicle regardless of fuel
Yeah everything except the 'engine' runs off a normal 12V battery which is charged from the 'big' battery. You can get a rather comedy situation where the 12V battery being dead prevents you charging the 1000V big one Think about it, the design and supply of central locking etc. is already well established, why would you redo all that for EVs rather than keeping the existing systems?
Taipan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:33 pm
The amount if EV fires is starting to register with me though.
From that Beeb article
Neil Sadler from Northamptonshire Fire Service said: "We are not experiencing an increase in electric vehicle fires, but when they do occur, they can behave differently to other vehicle fires and require a different response.
"We continually assess the risks associated with electric vehicles, to learn and enhance our operational tactics."
In the last year, the service logged 277 fires in road vehicles, three of which were categorised as electric or hybrid.
The EV fires thing is an odd one where its being blown out of all proportion, plus some people don't seem to have a good grasp of numbers in relation to risk.
Taipan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:33 pmThe amount if EV fires is starting to register with me though.
Would some facts help?
"With data corroborated from a US insurer, the study found that EVs suffer 25 fires per 100,000 sold. Petrol or diesel vehicles were found to experience 1,530 fires per 100,000, with hybrid vehicles at a notably higher risk of 3,475 fires per 100,000."
Thanks but I don't mean in that way. I'm just surprised its an actual thing. So I don't find it encouraging that they catch on fire less than ICE vehicles, iyswim?
It's pretty easy to forget that a car, be it ICE or EV, has the same amount of energy stored in it as a small bomb. I don't mean a small bomb like a backpack, I mean a small one the RAF might drop on you
It's sometimes surprising things don't go south more often.
Dodgy69 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:59 am
Why are hybrids the worst. ??
I suppose they have battery fires AND fuel fires but that doesn't explain why they are quite so bad. Maybe the added complexity makes them more problematical in some way. (Doesn't seem to affect aircraft in the same way though).
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Dodgy69 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 6:59 am
Why are hybrids the worst. ??
I suppose they have battery fires AND fuel fires but that doesn't explain why they are quite so bad.
That'd be part of my guess.
The other part would be the fact the average ahe of Hybrid vehicles is higher.
Good point.
(The Prius has been around since 2001).
I'd also surmise that battery demise isn't quite so £inal on a hybrid cf an all-electric as they're smaller packs so they may get replaced and will tend to be around longer. Dunno if there are iffy battery packs available as replacements yet - that'll up the Conflagration Index!
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
MyLittleStudPony wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:04 pm
Oh noez, Good old Tommy's been sent to prison for 18 months!
They say he was racist, but all he wanted to do was have people treated differently, depending on what country they were from (or if they were Islamics). In the belief that would somehow be better for him and other English whites. What could possible be racist about that?
They should put all the Wokerys in prison for trying to ensure minorities have rights.
Free Good Old Tommy! He was nice and Brexity!
There was (and still is) a well known troublemaker at school. A young thug who liked to pick on girls. The list of things he was “ let off for” is insane. Beatings, stabbings(!) you name it.
He went too far and threatened to rape a 9 year old girl. Her bigger brother stopped our young thug and had the rule book thrown at him. Their family, not the young thug, has been vilified and punished severely.
Tommy is “guilty” of revealing the truth about the thug by supporting a film about the affair. So his crime is contempt of court because the court has decided to try and hide the full story from the public.
“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”
Plato
When Tommy Robinson, founder of the extreme right-wing group the English Defence League, was jailed recently, he was sentenced for breaching very clear and specific laws restricting what can be reported about ongoing legal proceedings. But the high-profile campaign that has sprung up to call for his release revolves around something quite different. It’s all part of a well established, and highly effective, narrative of right-wing politics, which depicts people like Robinson as victims of a repressive state.
Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon, was sentenced to 13 months in prison for live streaming outside a court where a rape trial was taking place. He did this despite a court ban on reporting details of the trial.
I suppose there are reasonable questions to be asked about why he feels he should be exempt from those legal reporting restrictions?
It might be possible to have some sympathy for good old Tommy Robinson if he was similarly interested in other paedo trials, where of course in the UK the perpetrators are predominately, indisputibly whiteys. But of course he isn't, he's simply triggered by the brown ones, so let's not waste any time on sympathy and throw the book at him. Contempt of Court is always a nice one, it shows just how dim the contempter is and how terrible his argument is. Presumably he tried to quote the Magna Carta at them, that's always a winner.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:17 pm
It might be possible to have some sympathy for good old Tommy Robinson if he was similarly interested in other paedo trials, where of course in the UK the perpetrators are predominately, indisputibly whiteys. But of course he isn't, he's simply triggered by the brown ones, so let's not waste any time on sympathy and throw the book at him. Contempt of Court is always a nice one, it shows just how dim the contempter is and how terrible his argument is. Presumably he tried to quote the Magna Carta at them, that's always a winner.
He wanted to be locked up it serves his cause that way.
Its not as though "Robinson" wasn't given a platform to prove his claims about this "thug". His whole defence in the original 100k libel case hinged on his film/claims being accurate. He had loads of chance to provide proof and indeed he tried to do that in court...but his "proof" didn't stand up.
Secondly....aren't all supposed to ignore incitement to violence and verbal threats anyway? Isnt that the usual "free speech" claim?: Apparently not when a lary 15 year old 'threatens' to rape someone in a heated argument.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:17 pm
It might be possible to have some sympathy for good old Tommy Robinson if he was similarly interested in other paedo trials, where of course in the UK the perpetrators are predominately, indisputibly whiteys. But of course he isn't, he's simply triggered by the brown ones, so let's not waste any time on sympathy and throw the book at him. Contempt of Court is always a nice one, it shows just how dim the contempter is and how terrible his argument is. Presumably he tried to quote the Magna Carta at them, that's always a winner.
At a news conference, Chief Constable Steve Watson said "lessons had been learned", but Maggie Oliver, the detective who blew the whistle on the scandal, said he was wrong - and told the room about recently resigned officer Lucy.
Think about it, the design and supply of central locking etc. is already well established, why would you redo all that for EVs rather than keeping the existing systems?
(Doesn't seem to affect aircraft in the same way though).
