I was wondering if I'd missed something here and that the Covid Vaccine(s) are not vaccines because there's some esoteric distinction and technically they're actually XXX.
Er...not that I can see. Maybe Deftrap knows some other terminology? I get the idea they don't work forever, but that's true of loads of vaccines we give. Flu and Tetanus spring to mind. And whatever it is I pay to have my cats jabbed with every year (they've also been microchipped )
I was almost disappointed but not surprised when the only reference I could find to such a concept was....
Well, I'll be heading off to get microchipped again as soon as my course has finished! Covid has virtually no effect on me and I haven't shown symptoms - I know for sure I've had it three times due to testing when friends have had it.
However, I think that makes it more important to get jabbed/microchipped/assimilated/whatever because I wouldn't know if I have Covid and so wouldn't know to isolate. In my totally unscientific thoughts, I figure that getting jabbed would hopefully stop me getting it and so being less likely to share it to people without being aware I'm doing it
I'm probably wrong, I usually am! But unless anyone can give me a decent reason not to get jabbed, I'm gonna go do it again!! (think it'll be the fifth attempt to assimilate/microchip me and I'm still reasonably sure it's not working!
Life is for living. Buy the shoes. Eat the cake. Ride the bikes. Just, ride the bikes!!
Screwdriver wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:08 pm
It was not tested to the degree every other drug in history must be.
I'm giving you the benefit of 30 years of industry expertise, I do this for an actual living, I know how the processes work, the checks and measures involved, I'm bound by laws where the consequence of malevolent or ignorant messing with results could lead to imprisonment. The results of my work are inspected by independent auditors. You?.
Notice how the poster doesn't actually address the statement but instead, insist they are right and that should be enough to put the matter aside.
After that it's just mindless insults which I actually find quite funny. Not laughing with you of course...
Must be a moratorium on hurling childish insults. Wonder what would happen if I was to join in? Oh, I think I know the answer to that.
Why are your facts , truths and conspiracies more credible than anyone else's.
You get all your information 3rd hand, you don't work in politics, you don't work in research, you trawl the internet for stuff that suits.
It doesn't make any of it "fact"
You are Q Anon's Meghan Markle
Noggin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:47 pm
It changes from Somerset - Kiwi - Irish - Essex - Scottish!! If I'm talking to someone, apparently my accent can change really fast to match who I'm talking to. Worse in a group!!
Less now I'm aware of it but even tho I know, it just changes
So yes - I think it really can change dramatically without plan or thought within the space of an hour or less, so 24 hours is easy!! LOL Just depends who I talk with!
That's not the case with Harris, it's deliberate pandering. Oddly enough the only other two people that do this are Hilary & Obama. No other politician does it, just those three... & Obama pretty much stopped doing it when he was asked about it. Hilary still does it.
Politicians lie to get elected. Now what a surprise!
Get used to it, it won't end with this crop of politicians
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:56 pm
The whole "it must have been rushed" argument has always struck me as bollox. Or at least, a child like simplification.
Stuff takes more or less time depending on your priorities and how much resource (money ) you throw at it. It's not a hard concept.
Not to discount the significant knowledge gained from decades of very similar research that can help move things on a pace. It's not just war that's the mother of invention. I spent 50 years in pharma and biotech. Deftrap is not talking nonsense, of that you can be assured (waits for the expected vitriol to flow).
Screwdriver wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:35 pm
Me? I despise the argument from authority. Such pompous arrogance as for example from Tony Fauci ("I AM THE SCIENCE!") makes me sick. They typically do this when they can't or don't want to answer a specific point - you know, like you just did.
What I do have though is a brain which allows me to think for myself. You?
Despise expertise but are fine with conjecture, googling and rooting about on YouTube for 'facts' to prove your premise.? Yeah that's how you do science folks.
Why is it pompous arrogance by the way? Seems an odd way of looking at it - it's hardly applicable in specialised industries where you quite literally have to know your stuff. Funnily enough I get asked to prove my onions in formal audits quite frequently, and by regulatory bodies like the MHRA and FDA - the difference here is that the auditors are also (surprise!) qualified by expertise. I'm pretty sure in 30 years I've never been called pompous and arrogant (I hide it well )but then I've never been audited by a git who's struggling with the facts and gets his 'knowledge' from YouTube.
Oh and what a pleasure it is to be audited by the regulators. Consent decree anyone? Now that's a real laugh a minute.
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:44 pm
I was wondering if I'd missed something here and that the Covid Vaccine(s) are not vaccines because there's some esoteric distinction and technically they're actually XXX.
Er...not that I can see. Maybe Deftrap knows some other terminology? I get the idea they don't work forever, but that's true of loads of vaccines we give. Flu and Tetanus spring to mind. And whatever it is I pay to have my cats jabbed with every year (they've also been microchipped )
I was almost disappointed but not surprised when the only reference I could find to such a concept was....
One thing I read was that 95% of the covid vaccine was known *stuff* used in other vaccines so they didn't need to test that part of it, just the 5% new *stuff*
Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:44 pm
I was wondering if I'd missed something here and that the Covid Vaccine(s) are not vaccines because there's some esoteric distinction and technically they're actually XXX.
Er...not that I can see. Maybe Deftrap knows some other terminology? I get the idea they don't work forever, but that's true of loads of vaccines we give. Flu and Tetanus spring to mind. And whatever it is I pay to have my cats jabbed with every year (they've also been microchipped )
I was almost disappointed but not surprised when the only reference I could find to such a concept was....
Any preparation containing dead or attenuated microorganisms, eg viruses or bacteria, used to confer immunity to a disease by inoculation
So people can argue the toss about the exact contents and the meaning of it ie whether it confers 'immunity' etc but the jab is universally referred to as a vaccine. Meaning and use of words can change over time anyway.
I suppose people could get all swivel eyed over the fact the word is derived from vacca meaning 'cow' and there are no cows involved if they wanted to clear a room.
Next up - how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
David Muir of ABC has totally lost the plot. Sounded like Joe Goebbels while talking about Trump last night & then aired a clip of Harris sounding like someone had slipped a Hitler speech onto her prompter.
Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:03 am
Well a dictionary definition is:
Any preparation containing dead or attenuated microorganisms, eg viruses or bacteria, used to confer immunity to a disease by inoculation
I suppose the great "GOTCHA!" people want to use is the fact this new mRNA vaccines aren't using dead organisms, but rather only elements of them. I would surmise that's because people didn't know the mRNA stuff was going to be invented when they came up with the term 'vaccine', but now that term covers more stuff.
Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:03 am
Well a dictionary definition is:
Any preparation containing dead or attenuated microorganisms, eg viruses or bacteria, used to confer immunity to a disease by inoculation
I suppose the great "GOTCHA!" people want to use is the fact this new mRNA vaccines aren't using dead organisms, but rather only elements of them. I would surmise that's because people didn't know the mRNA stuff was going to be invented when they came up with the term 'vaccine', but now that term covers more stuff.
Yeah, it's a fair bet that Jenner didn't anticipate mRNA vaccines in 1796.
On a similar topic, today I read that the first recorded example of immunotherapy for cancer treatment was...1893. (Someone injected large, previously incurable, cancers with bacteria from skin infections - with a marked degree of success). Only took another 120 years for the approach to take off.
Doubt is not a pleasant condition.
But certainty is an absurd one.
Voltaire
Harris appeared on CNN last night with Anderson Cooper & was absolutely destroyed. Now liberals are mad at Cooper for revealing that she's a complete fucking idiot.
Count Steer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:03 am
Well a dictionary definition is:
Any preparation containing dead or attenuated microorganisms, eg viruses or bacteria, used to confer immunity to a disease by inoculation
I suppose the great "GOTCHA!" people want to use is the fact this new mRNA vaccines aren't using dead organisms, but rather only elements of them. I would surmise that's because people didn't know the mRNA stuff was going to be invented when they came up with the term 'vaccine', but now that term covers more stuff.
Yeah, it's a fair bet that Jenner didn't anticipate mRNA vaccines in 1796.
On a similar topic, today I read that the first recorded example of immunotherapy for cancer treatment was...1893. (Someone injected large, previously incurable, cancers with bacteria from skin infections - with a marked degree of success). Only took another 120 years for the approach to take off.
Science is always interesting be it what's to come and what has been. I particularly like the unexpected discoveries.
I used to make a product for dipping sheep to rid them of all manner of bugs and parasites. Farmer in America noticed his apple trees nearest to his dipping station gave the best crop. It was also found to stop coatings on camera lens breaking down. Used on the Apollo space program. The sheep still hated it though.
I suppose the great "GOTCHA!" people want to use is the fact this new mRNA vaccines aren't using dead organisms, but rather only elements of them. I would surmise that's because people didn't know the mRNA stuff was going to be invented when they came up with the term 'vaccine', but now that term covers more stuff.
Yeah, it's a fair bet that Jenner didn't anticipate mRNA vaccines in 1796.
On a similar topic, today I read that the first recorded example of immunotherapy for cancer treatment was...1893. (Someone injected large, previously incurable, cancers with bacteria from skin infections - with a marked degree of success). Only took another 120 years for the approach to take off.
Science is always interesting be it what's to come and what has been. I particularly like the unexpected discoveries.
I used to make a product for dipping sheep to rid them of all manner of bugs and parasites. Farmer in America noticed his apple trees nearest to his dipping station gave the best crop. It was also found to stop coatings on camera lens breaking down. Used on the Apollo space program. The sheep still hated it though.
Strange old world ain't it!
Bloke doing the sheepdipping can't have been the sharpest tool in the box, its dodgy stuff.
"Groundwater lies below the surface of the ground. If you carelessly use or release toxic sheep dip on your land it could pollute groundwater.
Polluted groundwater can drain into and contaminate drinking water sources such as boreholes, wells and streams."
Buckaroo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:50 pm
Science is always interesting be it what's to come and what has been. I particularly like the unexpected discoveries.
I used to make a product for dipping sheep to rid them of all manner of bugs and parasites. Farmer in America noticed his apple trees nearest to his dipping station gave the best crop
Bloke doing the sheepdipping can't have been the sharpest tool in the box, its dodgy stuff.
"Groundwater lies below the surface of the ground. If you carelessly use or release toxic sheep dip on your land it could pollute groundwater.
As they didn't say:
"Of all the sheep dip ponds in all the world, you had to leak out of mine"
Buckaroo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:50 pm
Science is always interesting be it what's to come and what has been. I particularly like the unexpected discoveries.
I used to make a product for dipping sheep to rid them of all manner of bugs and parasites. Farmer in America noticed his apple trees nearest to his dipping station gave the best crop
Bloke doing the sheepdipping can't have been the sharpest tool in the box, its dodgy stuff.
"Groundwater lies below the surface of the ground. If you carelessly use or release toxic sheep dip on your land it could pollute groundwater.
As they didn't say:
"Of all the sheep dip ponds in all the world, you had to leak out of mine"
Considering I'm talking of events way back in the 70s, a whole different mindset prevailed then. I remember all manner of chemical nasties going down the drains. Thankfully we live in marginally better informed times.
demographic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:58 am
Bloke doing the sheepdipping can't have been the sharpest tool in the box, its dodgy stuff.
"Groundwater lies below the surface of the ground. If you carelessly use or release toxic sheep dip on your land it could pollute groundwater.
As they didn't say:
"Of all the sheep dip ponds in all the world, you had to leak out of mine"
Considering I'm talking of events way back in the 70s, a whole different mindset prevailed then. I remember all manner of chemical nasties going down the drains. Thankfully we live in marginally better informed times.
As a kid who grew up on a hllfarm I have a decent memory of our dip tank.
It was more like a mechanics pit with shuttered concrete sides and was covered with bits of scaffold battens.
It totally leached its contents into the ground but even in the 70s we knew it wasn't right.
We were just too skint to sort it out on a rental farm.
I can remember my parents talking about having to use leggings whilst dipping our sheep so the dip made less contact with fathers skin as it was to be avoided.
demographic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:12 pm
I can remember my parents talking about having to use leggings whilst dipping our sheep so the dip made less contact with fathers skin as it was to be avoided.
It was inevitable that everyone got well splashed with the stuff, but we certainly wore oilskins.
One guy had to stand in a pit that was parallel to the long narrow dipping tank, to make sure the sheep were well-dunked. He wore a full-length oilskin overcoat back to front, so the buttons were at the back.
One of my contemporaries got that chronic fatigue thing that they blame on organophosphates.
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) you throw at it. It's not a hard concept.
