This time next year, President Trump moves back into the Whitehouse...

[Yorick]

LOL, you've never noticed how Deftrap has a detailed internal knowledge of this whole process, have you?

It's fine, on another thread he seems to be happily bullshitting couchy about electrics ffs.

[DefTrap]

No

Yes?

But actually no. It can take that long or longer, and there are all sorts of reasons, not all of them safety related - mostly due to funding, scheduling & subject recruitment. And in the case of these COVID trials, it was the action around the latter that allowed it to be expedited. It was done right. You can google all about it. But yeah what do I know.

[Mr. Dazzle]

The whole "it must have been rushed" argument has always struck me as bollox. Or at least, a child like simplification.

Stuff takes more or less time depending on your priorities and how much resource (money ) you throw at it. It's not a hard concept.

[MyLittleStudPony]

The whole "it must have been rushed" argument has always struck me as bollox. Or at least, a child like simplification.

Stuff takes more or less time depending on your priorities and how much resource (money ) you throw at it. It's not a hard concept.

Yeah but if there really was all this carbon dioxide, it would float down and kill everyone, because it's heavier than air. So it's all bollocks!

[gremlin]

The whole "it must have been rushed" argument has always struck me as bollox. Or at least, a child like simplification.

Stuff takes more or less time depending on your priorities and how much resource (money ) you throw at it. It's not a hard concept.

Yeah but if there really was all this carbon dioxide, it would float down and kill everyone, because it's heavier than air. So it's all bollocks!

It's kept up there by the interlaced chemtrails.

[Screwdriver]

It was not tested to the degree every other drug in history must be.

I'm giving you the benefit of 30 years of industry expertise, I do this for an actual living, I know how the processes work, the checks and measures involved, I'm bound by laws where the consequence of malevolent or ignorant messing with results could lead to imprisonment. The results of my work are inspected by independent auditors. You?.

Me? I despise the argument from authority. Such pompous arrogance as for example from Tony Fauci ("I AM THE SCIENCE!") makes me sick. They typically do this when they can't or don't want to answer a specific point - you know, like you just did.

What I do have though is a brain which allows me to think for myself. You?

[weeksy]

It was not tested to the degree every other drug in history must be.

I'm giving you the benefit of 30 years of industry expertise, I do this for an actual living, I know how the processes work, the checks and measures involved, I'm bound by laws where the consequence of malevolent or ignorant messing with results could lead to imprisonment. The results of my work are inspected by independent auditors. You?.

Me? I despise the argument from authority. Such pompous arrogance as for example from Tony Fauci ("I AM THE SCIENCE!") makes me sick. They typically do this when they can't or don't want to answer a specific point - you know, like you just did.

What I do have though is a brain which allows me to think for myself. You?

He does the fucking job you're telling him isn't being done !!!! It can't be any clearer here, you're telling him things are completely different because you read it, whereas he actually does it !!! In real life, real time as a JOB !!!! FFS man what in fucks name is wrong with you ? You're arguing something you read on the internet is true against the person who does it for a living.

[DefTrap]

Me? I despise the argument from authority. Such pompous arrogance as for example from Tony Fauci ("I AM THE SCIENCE!") makes me sick. They typically do this when they can't or don't want to answer a specific point - you know, like you just did.

What I do have though is a brain which allows me to think for myself. You?

Despise expertise but are fine with conjecture, googling and rooting about on YouTube for 'facts' to prove your premise.? Yeah that's how you do science folks.

Why is it pompous arrogance by the way? Seems an odd way of looking at it - it's hardly applicable in specialised industries where you quite literally have to know your stuff. Funnily enough I get asked to prove my onions in formal audits quite frequently, and by regulatory bodies like the MHRA and FDA - the difference here is that the auditors are also (surprise!) qualified by expertise. I'm pretty sure in 30 years I've never been called pompous and arrogant (I hide it well )but then I've never been audited by a git who's struggling with the facts and gets his 'knowledge' from YouTube.

[JamJar]

I'm giving you the benefit of 30 years of industry expertise, I do this for an actual living, I know how the processes work, the checks and measures involved, I'm bound by laws where the consequence of malevolent or ignorant messing with results could lead to imprisonment. The results of my work are inspected by independent auditors. You?.

Me? I despise the argument from authority. Such pompous arrogance as for example from Tony Fauci ("I AM THE SCIENCE!") makes me sick. They typically do this when they can't or don't want to answer a specific point - you know, like you just did.

What I do have though is a brain which allows me to think for myself. You?

He does the fucking job you're telling him isn't being done !!!! It can't be any clearer here, you're telling him things are completely different because you read it, whereas he actually does it !!! In real life, real time as a JOB !!!! FFS man what in fucks name is wrong with you ? You're arguing something you read on the internet is true against the person who does it for a living.

Because he is so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy that he can only believe the nutty stuff and will ignore anything that doesn't reinforce that view.

[Yorick]

Me? I despise the argument from authority. Such pompous arrogance as for example from Tony Fauci ("I AM THE SCIENCE!") makes me sick. They typically do this when they can't or don't want to answer a specific point - you know, like you just did.

What I do have though is a brain which allows me to think for myself. You?

He does the fucking job you're telling him isn't being done !!!! It can't be any clearer here, you're telling him things are completely different because you read it, whereas he actually does it !!! In real life, real time as a JOB !!!! FFS man what in fucks name is wrong with you ? You're arguing something you read on the internet is true against the person who does it for a living.

Because he is so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy that he can only believe the nutty stuff and will ignore anything that doesn't reinforce that view.

I'm waiting until he becomes an expert on Lanzarote, then I can join in

[Noggin]

Funny how things change is such a short time!! I'm sure Musk currently thinks Trump is a great candidate!!

[Mr Moofo]

It was not tested to the degree every other drug in history must be.

I'm giving you the benefit of 30 years of industry expertise, I do this for an actual living, I know how the processes work, the checks and measures involved, I'm bound by laws where the consequence of malevolent or ignorant messing with results could lead to imprisonment. The results of my work are inspected by independent auditors. You?.

Me? I despise the argument from authority. Such pompous arrogance as for example from Tony Fauci ("I AM THE SCIENCE!") makes me sick. They typically do this when they can't or don't want to answer a specific point - you know, like you just did.

What I do have though is a brain which allows me to think for myself. You?

Once gain believing in other peoples truth that you read from the sites you like to inhabit. You are just as much a puppet - spouting their nonsense, when having no clearer idea of the facts that anyone else.
Unless you really have professional involvement in all of this, you actaully, truly and honestly, no absolutely nothing, other than the information people feed.
Get a grip and realise you are being played...

[Screwdriver]

He does the fucking job you're telling him isn't being done !!!! It can't be any clearer here, you're telling him things are completely different because you read it, whereas he actually does it !!! In real life, real time as a JOB !!!! FFS man what in fucks name is wrong with you ? You're arguing something you read on the internet is true against the person who does it for a living.

So he says. I don't believe he has been working with mRNA treatments "for the past 30 years" and if at he says, he's a pencil pusher 'within the wider <unspecified. medical industry>, he really ought to know better than to make such sweeping statements especially when someone like me can so easily prove him wrong.

Also note, as I said earlier, the typical response from someone who is making an argument from authority is to try and deflect the question and say never mind the facts, I'm right you're wrong. That is what this poster is doing here.

"It's not a vaccine"
"I've been doing this for thirty years..."

Yeah ok mate. Still not a fucking vaccine though now is it.

There is nothing wrong with me, the problem is with people who refuse to question what they have been told. Pfizer assured us they conducted clinical trials and when challenged by our own BMJ (FFS!) the findings of the BMJ were labeled disinformation and their questions not merely left unanswered but also censored.

There was (and still is!) a shit ton of lies, propaganda and subterfuge across the entire COVID shitshow. Everything from how, where and who manufactured this weaponised version of a bat virus to the excess death rates and efficacy of this eyewateringly profitable pandemic. Personally, I am not meekly going to accept the word from Pfizer not the NIH/Fauci who are effectively in cahoots with this massive pharma based asset management group.

Yes, making outrageous claims is a fools errand and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The whole thing stinks though especially given the murky goings on with Bill Gates -prior to this virus being released. So when someone refuses to answer simple questions and just tells me to shut up and accept they're right because they claim to be "in the business" well, that just encourages me to dig deeper.

[Screwdriver]

Once gain believing in other peoples truth that you read from the sites you like to inhabit. You are just as much a puppet - spouting their nonsense, when having no clearer idea of the facts that anyone else.
Unless you really have professional involvement in all of this, you actaully, truly and honestly, no absolutely nothing, other than the information people feed.
Get a grip and realise you are being played...

Blah blah. Meaningless rhetoric. Give me a specific example of where I am wrong.

[Screwdriver]

Because he is so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy that he can only believe the nutty stuff and will ignore anything that doesn't reinforce that view.

Meaningless rhetoric. Specific example please.

[Screwdriver]

It was not tested to the degree every other drug in history must be.

I'm giving you the benefit of 30 years of industry expertise, I do this for an actual living, I know how the processes work, the checks and measures involved, I'm bound by laws where the consequence of malevolent or ignorant messing with results could lead to imprisonment. The results of my work are inspected by independent auditors. You?.

Notice how the poster doesn't actually address the statement but instead, insist they are right and that should be enough to put the matter aside.

After that it's just mindless insults which I actually find quite funny. Not laughing with you of course...

Must be a moratorium on hurling childish insults. Wonder what would happen if I was to join in? Oh, I think I know the answer to that.

[Count Steer]

.....So when someone refuses to answer simple questions and just tells me to shut up and accept they're right because they claim to be "in the business" well, that just encourages me to dig deeper.

Well, when you come up with something that resembles stuff like facts and data from credible sources be sure to let us all know eh?

[JamJar]

Because he is so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy that he can only believe the nutty stuff and will ignore anything that doesn't reinforce that view.

Meaningless rhetoric. Specific example please.

Dude go outside and touch grass.

[DefTrap]

So he says. I don't believe he has been working with mRNA treatments "for the past 30 years" and if at he says, he's a pencil pusher 'within the wider <unspecified. medical industry>, he really ought to know better than to make such sweeping statements especially when someone like me can so easily prove him wrong.

Also note, as I said earlier, the typical response from someone who is making an argument from authority is to try and deflect the question and say never mind the facts, I'm right you're wrong.

Just trying to establish some credibility here old fruit, in most industries this is entirely reasonable you'll find. Forgive me if I don't say exactly who, what, where in the public domain, just to satisfy an internet pillock - you never know who might be listening. Let's just say I'm a million % more qualified than you are.
I said I've worked in the industry for 30 years by the way, not specifically mRNA treatments, because I haven't, nobody has. You've not proved me wrong about anything by the way, you keep telling me I'm wrong because you say so, an entirely different thing altogether.

Are you going to make the point that you so desperately want to make? Or move to safer ground, like Kamala's racial heritage?, where you can be sure I won't be putting down any credentials of expertise on the table, because it's just shit-stirring.
I notice you've bailed on contributing any more of your hands-on electrical expertise by the way.

[weeksy]

He does the fucking job you're telling him isn't being done !!!! It can't be any clearer here, you're telling him things are completely different because you read it, whereas he actually does it !!! In real life, real time as a JOB !!!! FFS man what in fucks name is wrong with you ? You're arguing something you read on the internet is true against the person who does it for a living.

So he says. I don't believe he has been working with mRNA treatments "for the past 30 years" and if at he says, he's a pencil pusher 'within the wider <unspecified. medical industry>, he really ought to know better than to make such sweeping statements especially when someone like me can so easily prove him wrong.

Also note, as I said earlier, the typical response from someone who is making an argument from authority is to try and deflect the question and say never mind the facts, I'm right you're wrong. That is what this poster is doing here.

"It's not a vaccine"
"I've been doing this for thirty years..."

Yeah ok mate. Still not a fucking vaccine though now is it.

There is nothing wrong with me, the problem is with people who refuse to question what they have been told. Pfizer assured us they conducted clinical trials and when challenged by our own BMJ (FFS!) the findings of the BMJ were labeled disinformation and their questions not merely left unanswered but also censored.

There was (and still is!) a shit ton of lies, propaganda and subterfuge across the entire COVID shitshow. Everything from how, where and who manufactured this weaponised version of a bat virus to the excess death rates and efficacy of this eyewateringly profitable pandemic. Personally, I am not meekly going to accept the word from Pfizer not the NIH/Fauci who are effectively in cahoots with this massive pharma based asset management group.

Yes, making outrageous claims is a fools errand and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The whole thing stinks though especially given the murky goings on with Bill Gates -prior to this virus being released. So when someone refuses to answer simple questions and just tells me to shut up and accept they're right because they claim to be "in the business" well, that just encourages me to dig deeper.

I don't know why I even bother replying fella. You're quite clearly not in a place to listen. Enjoy