Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Loving the free solar charge! How long does that take for a full charge? Only fly in that ointment is your parents are relieved at being able to achieve a 120 mile journey! But I guess for most people its rare you have to such journeys, but it isa notable limitation in a c£30k car.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Excellent - I’ll just drive indefinitely at 15mph.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:37 pm
My mum was fretting they'd get stuck in traffic and run out of charge, I had to tell her the range goes UP when you're crawling at 15mph.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
You often don't have a choice on the M25wheelnut wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 pmExcellent - I’ll just drive indefinitely at 15mph.Mr. Dazzle wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:37 pm
My mum was fretting they'd get stuck in traffic and run out of charge, I had to tell her the range goes UP when you're crawling at 15mph.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
It's hard to say how long it takes, 'cause they don't go 0-100%.....ever. Until this weekend . They plug it in and leave it plugged in when they're not using it around town, then the smart system on their house charges both their car and their house batteries depending on a number of priorities (which they've set in an app).Taipan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:49 pm Loving the free solar charge! How long does that take for a full charge? Only fly in that ointment is your parents are relieved at being able to achieve a 120 mile journey! But I guess for most people its rare you have to such journeys, but it isa notable limitation in a c£30k car.
Either way, they've not bought electricity in a long time. They have gas heating and hot water though TBF, although they also have partial air source heating (only some rooms).
I wouldn''t say they were relieve really, surprised maybe. They bought the mini for everything-not-long-distance™, they never intended to drive here in it. They did, and it cost them half of what the Jag would have cost, so they'll do it every time in future. It'll cost even less if they bring an extension lead next time.
They'er talking about going to one car in future, they're musing on going EV only now which they wren't before
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
https://autos.yahoo.com/california-cops ... 00844.html
Another concern Crook has about Teslas, and EVs broadly, comes from an essential lesson he was taught in the police academy: “In a firefight, hide behind the engine block.” In a Tesla, there is no engine block, leaving officers without their preferred cover, he said.
Another concern Crook has about Teslas, and EVs broadly, comes from an essential lesson he was taught in the police academy: “In a firefight, hide behind the engine block.” In a Tesla, there is no engine block, leaving officers without their preferred cover, he said.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
I am not sure that is a major concern in most* of the UK.Horse wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:32 pm https://autos.yahoo.com/california-cops ... 00844.html
Another concern Crook has about Teslas, and EVs broadly, comes from an essential lesson he was taught in the police academy: “In a firefight, hide behind the engine block.” In a Tesla, there is no engine block, leaving officers without their preferred cover, he said.
* Some inner city areas excepted.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
They also don't have an exhaust pipe you can shove a potato up to make the engine explode
P.S. The police chief is called Cedric Crook
P.S. The police chief is called Cedric Crook
In other news, water is wet.But there is an obvious option here: Don’t use a Tesla. The Fort Bragg Police Department told SFGate using a F-150 Lightning as a patrol vehicle makes a lot more sense.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
If you want an electric bike, your choice has been reduced... Energica have called in the administrators.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
So it looks like loads of people who reserved one have declined when it came down to actually getting one.Pirahna wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:28 pm Tesla has reached peak Cybertruck
https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla- ... ist-9-days
Must be cos they've seen about all the quality issues.
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Maybe they've had a moment of collective clarity and realised that it's an overpriced piece of shit.demographic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:58 pmSo it looks like loads of people who reserved one have declined when it came down to actually vetting one.Pirahna wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:28 pm Tesla has reached peak Cybertruck
https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla- ... ist-9-days
Must be cos they've seen about all the quality issues.
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Aye, that as well.mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:22 pmMaybe they've had a moment of collective clarity and realised that it's an overpriced piece of shit.demographic wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:58 pmSo it looks like loads of people who reserved one have declined when it came down to actually vetting one.Pirahna wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:28 pm Tesla has reached peak Cybertruck
https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla- ... ist-9-days
Must be cos they've seen about all the quality issues.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
Fridge-grade Stainless...mangocrazy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:22 pm Maybe they've had a moment of collective clarity and realised that it's an overpriced piece of shit.
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That's not good. Iirc they were one of the leading brands?KungFooBob wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:23 pm If you want an electric bike, your choice has been reduced... Energica have called in the administrators.
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Also not a surprise.Rockburner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:29 amThat's not good. Iirc they were one of the leading brands?KungFooBob wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:23 pm If you want an electric bike, your choice has been reduced... Energica have called in the administrators.
'Big Bike' buyers are extremely conservative, they have been for decades. Even with ICE bikes you can see that. EV bikes of that nature are always going to be a stuggle.
Scooters and commuters are where the OEMs are focusing on electric bikes, as indeed they do with ICE! Our British market of 1000cc weekend bikes is a side show.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
To be fair, the only place where an EV would make good sense for our lifestyle would be in the south of France as a shopping trolley. We have solar panels on the roof and a garage, so installation of a charging point would be a doddle. But as we're only here 3-4 months of the year tops, and use a vehicle to drive down and back in, there's no compelling reason to get one.
And a very compelling reason not to - the price of the damn things...
And a very compelling reason not to - the price of the damn things...
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Same with the bikes. Look at the price of a Zero with anything near a usable range. VMotos Stash is looking like a better buy range wise? Crazy to think we cant get ebikes with a 100 mile motorway range. I thought this would have lept along by now?mangocrazy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:39 am To be fair, the only place where an EV would make good sense for our lifestyle would be in the south of France as a shopping trolley. We have solar panels on the roof and a garage, so installation of a charging point would be a doddle. But as we're only here 3-4 months of the year tops, and use a vehicle to drive down and back in, there's no compelling reason to get one.
And a very compelling reason not to - the price of the damn things...
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It's mostly an issue with balancing energy density and vehicle weight.Taipan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:20 pmSame with the bikes. Look at the price of a Zero with anything near a usable range. VMotos Stash is looking like a better buy range wise? Crazy to think we cant get ebikes with a 100 mile motorway range. I thought this would have lept along by now?mangocrazy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:39 am To be fair, the only place where an EV would make good sense for our lifestyle would be in the south of France as a shopping trolley. We have solar panels on the roof and a garage, so installation of a charging point would be a doddle. But as we're only here 3-4 months of the year tops, and use a vehicle to drive down and back in, there's no compelling reason to get one.
And a very compelling reason not to - the price of the damn things...
With current battery tech (albeit improving all the time), a bike that can do (say) 230 miles at 70-80mph (ie, in comparison with a modern litre IL4) would need to be physically larger than a Goldwing, and would weigh about 2-3 times as much as a Goldwing (and all that weight would lift the centre of mass to make it rather unwieldy).
(those are guesswork figures, but they should be ballpark accurate)
So - until the energy density of batteries increases four-fold (it may well happen), Electric bikes are only ever going to be small, low-range things.
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S'also the fact bike manufacturers (or at least, the ones selling 20k superbikes) are sucking on the hind tit regarding battery tech.
Range is the big topic in EVs of course, regardless of any reality it's what people have in their mind front and centre as the biggest issue. Therefore every OEM is fighting to have the best battery tech and keep it away from the competition. Bike OEMs just don't have the financial clout or the market size for battery manufacturers to entertain them, whereas people like Porsche or Mercedes upgrade their batteries nearly every year.
Range is the big topic in EVs of course, regardless of any reality it's what people have in their mind front and centre as the biggest issue. Therefore every OEM is fighting to have the best battery tech and keep it away from the competition. Bike OEMs just don't have the financial clout or the market size for battery manufacturers to entertain them, whereas people like Porsche or Mercedes upgrade their batteries nearly every year.
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Re: Would you have an electric car if you had the money for a new car and were in the market for one?
I see very few EV's here in sunny Spain, and when I see one (most often Tesla's) they are on foreign plates.demographic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 7:52 pm
I keep hearing that nobody is buying EVs but theyre all over the bloody place round here, it's not an especially rich area but they're everywhere. Must be a lot of people getting em for free then.
I'm working all over the (large) county and a bit of southwest Scotland and it's the same all over the area I cover.
Didn't Couch reckon he didn't see them about a while ago? I might be wrong on this but despite his company fitting the chargers IIRC?
The large DIY store near me has 16 EV charging points, and I have only ever seen one car charging there. It is always empty.
I do see a lot of hybrids though, and not the ones that need charging.
Not sure how much a solar install for charging would cost, but I have seen the electric charging points offered by a big DIY store cost around €4,000 fitted. Add that to the price of an EV, such as the MG, and its prohibitive for those, like me, who do only a couple of thousand miles per year.
As for bikes, I had a Zero DSR on test, and it barely made the 60 mile run into work (A120, M11, A406, a13) on a full charge. I have just ridden back from Portugal. 780kms (485 miles), 94kph (58 mph) average speed and at 74mpg. Took 8¼ hours. How long would it take on a Zero, even if there was a charging point everywhere I needed to charge?
And I have owned an electric Lifan scooter. It was fine for local journies on the flat, but not so good on hills where it struggled a bit. Charging it was cheap on the overnight rate, but I did suffer from range anxiety every ride though.