Taipan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:31 pm
I'm not even sure its Trump himself that wins this, you could probably sub him with Buffett or Musk for the same effect.
That's hardly fair, Buffett and Musk are both enormously more wealthy than Trump and legitimately successful
People might not like Musk, but you can't argue with the impact PayPal, SpaceX and Tesla have made on the world. And if you want to see what business success really looks like take a look at Buffett's history.
Buckaroo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:51 pm Here we go again!!!
What do you really, and I mean, really think of Trump?
Bloody thread keeps getting derailed
Mega rich, done all he can in business and now just wants the ultimate prize of being President again. There is nothing else on his horizon imo and I do believe he genuinely does want to make America great again. The problem is, he is a (ruthless) businessman and will always be at odds with politicians and the political machine as they are entirely different animals.
The political machine is corrupt in its operation and little more than a nest featherer for its members on all sides, the ultimate old boys network if you will. Trump disrupts this and I have no doubt that none of the parties want him there with his approach and its in neither the republicans or the democrats interests in him achieving office.
Why do I think Trump has even achieved office? Mainly because he represents the American dream of wealth of success and people relate to him more than the constant failings of political govts. I'm not even sure its Trump himself that wins this, you could probably sub him with Buffett or Musk for the same effect.
Taipan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 11:31 pm
Mega rich, done all he can in business and now just wants the ultimate prize of being President again. There is nothing else on his horizon imo and I do believe he genuinely does want to make America great again. The problem is, he is a (ruthless) businessman and will always be at odds with politicians and the political machine as they are entirely different animals.
The political machine is corrupt in its operation and little more than a nest featherer for its members on all sides, the ultimate old boys network if you will. Trump disrupts this and I have no doubt that none of the parties want him there with his approach and its in neither the republicans or the democrats interests in him achieving office.
Why do I think Trump has even achieved office? Mainly because he represents the American dream of wealth of success and people relate to him more than the constant failings of political govts. I'm not even sure its Trump himself that wins this, you could probably sub him with Buffett or Musk for the same effect.
Sure. Ideal for low rent, faux peril, crap TV like The Apprentice - nothing else. FFS don't conflate that with national / global leadership skills.
Why not? He made more headway with Kim Jong Un than any other western leader has. He has a direct line to Putin too. He knows more about business and tax laws etc than probably any other president has too. Look how he ripped Hilary apart over her accusations. So yes I think he does have global leadership skills. I certainly get the reasons you and others hate him, but it blinds you to his demonstrable skillset.
Don't hate him. I think I'd be embarassed by him if he was 'my President' in the same way I was embarassed by Boris. Maybe.
His demonstrable skillset (which is so covered in rose-tinted spectacles as to be hilarious. IMO. ) is far outweighed by his clear and apparent definciencies as a statesman (which he doesn't accept but curiously is his primary focus for attacking Biden & Harris) and his total lack of knowledge outside those few areas you mention.
And while we're on about being blinded - we're happy for Trump to continue despite his mucky sexy-times activities and the likes of Schofield, Edwards & Brand have to suck it because there's no smoke without fire? If you have power and influence, it seems you're allowed to dance between the facts and your fans will applaud you for it.
DefTrap wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 9:39 am
Don't hate him. I think I'd be embarassed by him if he was 'my President' in the same way I was embarassed by Boris. Maybe.
His demonstrable skillset (which is so covered in rose-tinted spectacles as to be hilarious. IMO. ) is far outweighed by his clear and apparent definciencies as a statesman (which he doesn't accept but curiously is his primary focus for attacking Biden & Harris) and his total lack of knowledge outside those few areas you mention.
And while we're on about being blinded - we're happy for Trump to continue despite his mucky sexy-times activities and the likes of Schofield, Edwards & Brand have to suck it because there's no smoke without fire? If you have power and influence, it seems you're allowed to dance between the facts and your fans will applaud you for it.
I don't really know anything about Trumps mucky sexy-times activities but if he is guilty of something, chuck in him prison? There's so much discrediting in American politics, mudslinging seems to be the MO of it, so who knows what's true, but i hear a lot of claims made against Trump but few seem to have stuck or been substantiated? TBH I get suspicious of most of the stuff over the pond as its seems to be dollar based claims rather than a strive for justice?
FWIW, Schofield has been found out to be a predatory paedo as he was grooming that kid when he was underage, so he is the architect of his own downfall. Huw Edwards was in possession of the worse category child porn and is another paedo, so I think he should have got jail time for that. Brand? Russell? I don't think there were any child porn claims against him? He is well known for being salacious and very hands on, not even a secret and I'm surprised he didn't get his collar felt tbh.
All I'm saying is that the higher up you get, the easier it is to sidestep the truth, pretend it never happened, that it doesn't matter, can afford to handsomely pay off your accusers, have friends in high places who can stop it happening in the first place. Just how long were they chasing the likes of the slippery Prince Andrew & awful Savile for example?
Trump has a score of assault accusations, more than enough to kill him dead in the water if he were a lowly celebrity like Schofield but probably not if you're the POTUS and have access to dirt on pretty much everybody. But he literally doesn't care any more about being accused because it turns out his supporters don't care either.
It's also interesting that he apparently had / has a good relationship with Kim and Vlad. It's like saying Mussolini was a top geezer because Hitler liked him. Hardly top drawer accreditation for being POTUS, or is it?
My good friend in Boston,whom I've mentioned before, also said that besides from Trump being a POS human, he's made the USA a global embarrassment.
However, each to their own I guess.
Buckaroo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 10:51 pm Here we go again!!!
What do you really, and I mean, really think of Trump?
Bloody thread keeps getting derailed
Mega rich, done all he can in business and now just wants the ultimate prize of being President again. There is nothing else on his horizon imo and I do believe he genuinely does want to make America great again. The problem is, he is a (ruthless) businessman and will always be at odds with politicians and the political machine as they are entirely different animals.
The political machine is corrupt in its operation and little more than a nest featherer for its members on all sides, the ultimate old boys network if you will. Trump disrupts this and I have no doubt that none of the parties want him there with his approach and its in neither the republicans or the democrats interests in him achieving office.
Why do I think Trump has even achieved office? Mainly because he represents the American dream of wealth of success and people relate to him more than the constant failings of political govts. I'm not even sure its Trump himself that wins this, you could probably sub him with Buffett or Musk for the same effect.
Trump was born with a silver spoon in his gob and he's managed to lose it up his arse. Buffet would be a much better choice. He actually knows how to run a business whereas Trump only knows how to run one into the ground. Going bankrupt with a casino takes real talent. Trump has perfected it three times.
Probably 495 fake shells and 5 legit businesses actually.
Yes, thousands of people show up daily to work at companies that don't exist, plonker.
If you genuinely think Trump started or runs 500 companies himself I'd say you're the plonker.
If you think he has five hundred business which are all independent enterprises, not firms within firms within firms performing various bits of chicanary I've got some magic beans you might be interested in.
Take this with a pinch of salt, it's my worthless estimate of Trumps fortunes over the years. Difficult to pinpoint exact figures due to the anti-Trump position of approximately 100% of the mainstream media. The Wiki article on him is hilariously biased for example, even I can see that.
Anyhow:
It would appear his fathers fortune left Donald in the region of $200M (circa 1949), with smaller top ups into the 1980's. This is often flagged as $500M corrected for 2024. The same source say he committed "fraud" since his Mar-a-Lago estate is, in their estimation, worth slightly less than my fucking shed!
Meanwhile back in the real world:
According to Forbes et. al. his current worth is somewhere in the region of $3.5 - $5 BILLION.
I wish I could be such a hopeless businessman.
“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”
Plato
BBC wrote:More short-term holiday lets in Cornwall are being put back on the market for sale or rent, estate agents have said.
It comes in advance of the end of favourable tax breaks for the industry - announced by the previous Conservative government in the budget in March.
Estate agents added that bookings had also slowed down - making the business less profitable for owners.
However, local tourism bosses raised concerns about the knock-on effect on the visitor economy of losing short-term holiday accommodation.
Too expensive
Changes to the way the industry is regulated - first revealed earlier this year - were designed to stop communities being 'hollowed out' by empty properties.
The then-Chancellor Jeremy Hunt confirmed allowances and tax breaks that owners had previously enjoyed would come to an end next spring.
Phil Norgan, from Smart Estate Agent in Newquay, said: "I would expect to see over the next six months quite an upturn in the number of people leaving the holiday let business and moving over to either short-hold tenancies, or just selling up."
However, he warned that the kind of properties coming onto the market were too expensive for most people to afford.
"It's the high-end properties - four and five-bed houses - that are coming across to us because the big stuff is what people aren't taking up as holiday lets.
"So you're not talking about what I would term affordable for your normal renter."
As well as failing to provide affordable housing, tourism chiefs are concerned about the loss of short-term accommodation for visitors to the region.
Malcolm Bell, chairman of Visit Cornwall, said: "They are an important part of the mix. Often self-catering properties are the ones people choose to come to out of season.
"That out-of-season buyer purchasing power is particularly important for pubs and restaurants.
"Having extra people who are on holiday is incredibly vital and could stop some pubs from closing," he added.
But Andrew George, the Liberal Democrat MP for St Ives, backed the Government's removal of tax breaks.
He argued: "Billion of pounds of taxpayers' money has gone in to the holiday letting industry through various tax subsidies, including Covid aid, over the last ten years.
"There are other forms of accommodation. I think the way that the tax system worked put the hotel industry at a disadvantage."
Taipan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2024 1:37 pm The Marsh family from the UK!
Sad wankers
Who spends that much effort to hate someone thousands of miles away.
Getting some stick for cultural appropriation too. Tis an angry world out there, but American politics is a lot more divisive than ours. Well maybe not a lot more, thinking about it?
The Marsh family from the UK!
Here we go again!!!