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Potter wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 12:50 pm I was genuinely going to buy an EV recently, it was a Porsche Taycan Turbo, I went to look at it, test drove it and I was happy with the price, it was an £180k car, about a year old and selling for £65k, absolute bargain
So it had lost nearly two thirds of its original value in about a year? You really do need to be rich to afford depreciation like that. It's insane. I know that's an extreme example on a high-end model, but it illustrates why EVs aren't selling in the volume the govt would like.

As an aside, I was chatting to a Sheffield taxi driver recently and Sheffield City Council have mandated that all cabs in the city must be EVs within 3 years. That is just all sorts of wrong. Taxi fares will be going through the roof if SCC don't back down on that proposal.
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mangocrazy wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:20 pm As an aside, I was chatting to a Sheffield taxi driver recently and Sheffield City Council have mandated that all cabs in the city must be EVs within 3 years. That is just all sorts of wrong. Taxi fares will be going through the roof if SCC don't back down on that proposal.
Wonder what his source is, other than someone he had in the back of his cab (you won't believe who!).

It sounds like BS to me, indeed I can't find anything about such a rule after a quick Google.

I can more believe some kind of ULEZ has been misquoted.
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mangocrazy wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:20 pm
So it had lost nearly two thirds of its original value in about a year? You really do need to be rich to afford depreciation like that. It's insane. I know that's an extreme example on a high-end model, but it illustrates why EVs aren't selling in the volume the govt would like.
The Taycans are a peculiar example, they are actually good cars, but Porsche were struggling to sell them, so they started punting them as part of a deal to people who wanted a GT3 RS, which at the time you could buy for £150k and sell the next day for £250k IF you could get an allocation.
So they would say to people "Buy three Taycans and we'll give you an allocation for an RS" - this isn't BS, people were filming them in secret doing it.

So the people that did that then dumped the Taycans onto the market cheaply, which damaged an already falling price on the Taycan EV.

On top of that you've got people that were buying them as tax write-offs or company car deals, who also wanted Porsche favours, and then dumping them.

The Taycan I tried was genuinely stupendously good, the tech inside it was incredible and it was as fast and as good handling as any supercar, but the residuals are shocking. You can pick up a £150k Taycan for about £40k as a one year old used car.
Hence why I wanted one, but as I said my dream Porsche was sitting there right behind it and I flipped straight to buying that.
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Taipan wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 9:35 am If the SS (Starmers Stasi) pull you for suspicion of road based naughtiness and see you have a camera they will confiscate it to review the footage so the can nick you for anything else as well as what they stopped you for.
Cops need a search warrant here to even view the footage. There's also a 1 year statute of limitations.. so make sure your camera time stamp is a year off :)
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Potter wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:52 pm Taycan
You've not been watching Shmee by any chance?

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One of neighbours has a Taycan, I really like it but I'd rather the estate one (shooting brake?)

Wife's accountant has just purchased a new Lotus Eletre - it 'kin ugly and also it's pink!
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:29 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:20 pm As an aside, I was chatting to a Sheffield taxi driver recently and Sheffield City Council have mandated that all cabs in the city must be EVs within 3 years. That is just all sorts of wrong. Taxi fares will be going through the roof if SCC don't back down on that proposal.
Wonder what his source is, other than someone he had in the back of his cab (you won't believe who!).

It sounds like BS to me, indeed I can't find anything about such a rule after a quick Google.

I can more believe some kind of ULEZ has been misquoted.
We have a recently introduced CAZ and that has already lead to the closure of the Wickes that is unfortunate to be in the CAZ. Sheffield CC are notoriously car-hostile, although probably not quite as bad as they were a few years ago. I can only state what the cabbie told me, and he did seem to be fairly clued up. The guy was driving a Prius (don't they all?) and he will need to trade it in for something newer next year as it turns 10 years old then, and no cabs over 10 years old can have their licence renewed.
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v8-powered wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:06 pm Wife's accountant has just purchased a new Lotus Eletre - it 'kin ugly and also it's pink!
Double whammy of being fugly and also actually quite crap at range/efficiency if the reviews are correct.

It'll sell well in the home market. China :lol:
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Pirahna wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:11 pm
Potter wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 1:52 pm Taycan
You've not been watching Shmee by any chance?
Never heard of him. I do watch Youtube for entertainment but I've never seen that guy.
I like Youtube for entertainment, but you're only ever going to get information from social media at the same time as everyone else, i.e. during or after the fact.
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mangocrazy wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:04 pm The guy was driving a Prius (don't they all?) and he will need to trade it in for something newer next year as it turns 10 years old then, and no cabs over 10 years old can have their licence renewed.
Yeah that's been a thing for ages - it was a thing when my brother was a cabbie for a while, and that was a while ago, I can't remember how long! It's not really an EV specific thing is it?

So if you're gonna have to replace your car either way and now have to have something "zero emissions capable" all that means is that ya man has to buy a Hybrid. Which he already has anyway :think:

BTW, the limit is 6 years here in MK! 10 if it's a Hybrid. They must be in cahoots with the car manufacturers :D
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Mr. Dazzle wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:00 am
mangocrazy wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 8:04 pm The guy was driving a Prius (don't they all?) and he will need to trade it in for something newer next year as it turns 10 years old then, and no cabs over 10 years old can have their licence renewed.
Yeah that's been a thing for ages - it was a thing when my brother was a cabbie for a while, and that was a while ago, I can't remember how long! It's not really an EV specific thing is it?

So if you're gonna have to replace your car either way and now have to have something "zero emissions capable" all that means is that ya man has to buy a Hybrid. Which he already has anyway :think:

BTW, the limit is 6 years here in MK! 10 if it's a Hybrid. They must be in cahoots with the car manufacturers :D
Yeah, it's a Prius hybrid, currently 9 years old. Not trying to make it an 'EV thing', just providing further details of our conversation.

I'll be watching the 'all EV taxis in 3 years' thing with interest, to see if it does happen or not. On thinking about it, Sheffield CC may be mandating that in 3 years time once the current taxi licence expires, you must replace with an EV. That would be more realistic/reasonable.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... hA-mdEdH_M

Link to the actual policy.

All newly licenced vehicles from 2027 must be zero emission capable. So EVs and Hybrids and only applies to newly licenced stuff

That's a long way from "every cab must be an EV".

Your informants vehicle already complies.
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Well done for tracking that down - it was more than I could be arsed to do... :)

So my cabbie was over-egging the 'EV only in 2027' thing and if he wanted he could continue with a (newer) hybrid vehicle. I suspect that there is a Chinese whispers approach to this kind of information sharing where if someone gets the wrong end of the stick then that bad information gets circulated in place of the real information.

So any new vehicles used as taxis must be 'Zero Emission Capable' after 1st January 2027. I doubt I'll ever see him again, but if I do, I'll put him right. :mrgreen:
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A guy needs a panel van but is an Elon Musk fanboi and instead buys an overpriced 'statement' EV and is bemused when it doesn't do what he wants it to.
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mangocrazy wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:24 pm A guy needs a panel van but is an Elon Musk fanboi and instead buys an overpriced 'statement' EV and is bemused when it doesn't do what he wants it to.
Nah, it'd get the job done if the dingus had secured the load
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MrLongbeard wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:31 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:24 pm A guy needs a panel van but is an Elon Musk fanboi and instead buys an overpriced 'statement' EV and is bemused when it doesn't do what he wants it to.
Nah, it'd get the job done if the dingus had secured the load
Maybe, but it looks to me that the load bay of the Cybertruck is fairly puny and not up to dealing with long sections. A panel van is the blindingly obvious vehicle of choice for a job like that.
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The thing with pick up trucks is they look cool but no matter how hard I try I've never been able to justify owning one. Apart from towing a 5th wheel trailer a van will do everything a lot better.
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mangocrazy wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:37 pm
MrLongbeard wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:31 pm
mangocrazy wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:24 pm A guy needs a panel van but is an Elon Musk fanboi and instead buys an overpriced 'statement' EV and is bemused when it doesn't do what he wants it to.
Nah, it'd get the job done if the dingus had secured the load
Maybe, but it looks to me that the load bay of the Cybertruck is fairly puny and not up to dealing with long sections. A panel van is the blindingly obvious vehicle of choice for a job like that.
Van's aren't popular here, most tradesmen use pick-ups... altho the guy parked next to the EV is driving an appliance dolly (5 or 6ft bed) instead of a proper sized (8ft bed) pick-up
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A drop side flat bed would be even better for that load. The load could be forked on too.